Category: Meeting Minutes

24 May 2023, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB
Minutes
May 22, 2023

Date:           Monday, May 24, 2023
Time:          1830
Location:    Zoom

 

  1. Call to Order:^:30pm
  2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ec Helme, committee member; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator.
  3. Approval Meeting Minutes: A motion was made to accept the April 2023 minutes as presented, a seconded was made and members present voted to accept the minutes
  4. Appeals: None
  5. Ratings Review:
    1. 2023 Certificate Swan 55 CC TM, Haerlem, was withdrawn as the boat sustained damage in a fire.
    2. Rating adjustments for J109 Mainsail. The adjustments for the J109 and J105 have been added to the website calculations.
    3. 2023 Certificate 17320 – Dufour 45e Performance, Lark, Jason Walsh owner. This boat compares to a J46 base rating 39 and a Grand Solei 45 rating 39 or 45-2 base rating 45. This is a deep keel tall mast. Regression calculates to 46 After discussion the members present voted to assign a base rating of 42.
    4. 2023 Certificate 17374– Saffier 24L, Sorpasso, Peter Vessella owner. This boat was compared to a variety of other boats such as an Olson 25, Melges 24, J24, J80, J30, and Soling. Members viewed the promotional information available online showing a deep keel with a bulb, below deck furler, carbon mast, square top main. After discussion the members present voted to assign a base rating of 141.
    5. 2023 Certificate XXXXX – 30 Sq. Meter, Bijou II, Chris Bouzaid owner. After reviewing the draft certificate and after discussion the members presented voted to request additional information regarding this boat and the modifications that are believed to have been omitted from the certificate. Kathy Rotsky will call the owner to obtain this information. Subsequently the owner withdrew his request for a certificate and his $50.00 was refunded.
    6. 2023 Certificate 17418 – Stellar 53, Dovetail, Stellar 53 (S&S Design built by Davie Norris and Christchurch, New Zealand) Bill Barlow owner. This is a center cockpit boat that compares to a Passport 51 which has a base rating of 96. It was also compared to a Gulfstar 50. After discussion the members present voted to assign a base rating of 90.
    7. 2023 Certificate 17443 – C&C 110, Makai, Ted Hood owner. Owner submitted a detailed description of the change in the size of the mainsail. This change falls under our normal adjustments. After discussion the members present voted to assign a base rating of 78 and the noted adjustments would be applied. The owner also asked for a review of his rating against other boats he competes against. The members present will have Kathy Rotsky notify Ted Hood that he should file an appeal of his rating to have a review.
    8. 2023 Certificate 17513- Dehler 42, Ohana, Ken Wisdom owner. 42, Discrepancies in the basic information provided need to be clarified, particularly the JC & SPL. This is a design with a non-overlapping jib and below deck furler. It has a tall carbon fiber mast but listed standard draft which also needs verification. It was compared to a Frers 45. If the information requested is verified the members present voted to assign a base rating of 48.
    9. Expedited Certificate XXXXX – XP44 Sonrisa, XXXXX YRALIS rates these models at 21.  It was noted that these are faster than a J44. This is a deep keel version with a standard rig and an asym. It also compares to a J133 which has a true sprit. Roy did a comparison to the J133 and calculated 10 while compared to the J44 the XP compared to 24 and overall 17 to a range of similar boats. Agreed to base of 21 via email documentation.  (I don’t find a certificate on file for this boat)
    10. Clarification of 2022 certificates 16326 the Beneteau First SE Hawksbill and certificate 16993 First 27 Benutii was confirmed via email review and Beneteau First 27E removed from the database.
  6. Old Business:
    1. Roy’s updated the status of new web page from his April discussions. The programmer has been very responsive to making changes and corrections such as the J109 & 105 mainsail calculations. A number of the fixes that Roy submitted have been implemented. Roy noted that some expedited requests are not deemed as necessary but boat owners have been willing to pay extra for the service.
    2. Youth Sail Training certificates fee. The limit of three (3) free certificates will be added to the PHRF-NB Articles and presented at the 2024 annual meeting for a vote
    3. Rating of Bloopers – 2023 Certificate Mischief, Sequin 40CTM, Dave Schwartz, question if he lists the sail will there be an adjustment to his rating? It was agreed by the members present that Mischief would not have any rating adjustment for their 2023 certificate if they chose to fly this sail.
  7. New Business:
    1. East End (Long Island Sound) ORC This was the review of the article that Will Museler sent out to the board. The options and reasoning behind the change noted were discussed along with some pros and cons of using ORC. PHRF-NB is not currently looking to suggest this as an option for our certificate holders.
    2. Boats not carrying a spinnaker onboard are receiving a spinnaker rating. A decision was made by the members present to eliminate the spinnaker rating for boats that do not supply spinnaker measurements. A discussion of Freedoms able to use the Hoyt gun mount spinnaker system and Nonsuch boats did not alter the decision to only provide spinnaker ratings that provide measurements.
    3. Next Meeting June 26th – Zoom
  8. Adjournment: 8:42pm

24 April 2023, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB
Minutes
April 2023

Date:           Monday, April. 24, 2023
Time:          1830
Location:     Zoom

  1. Call to Order:
  2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ec Helme, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member;  Mark Nannini, committee member;  Randy Shore, committee member;  Matt Smith, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator
  3. Approval Meeting Minutes: members present seconded voted unanimously to accept the minutes of the March 2023
  4. Appeals: None
  5. Ratings Review:
    1. 2023 Certificate 17210 Ellementary, SVP L30, Diane Reid owner. This boat model has an ORC base of 54 and compares to a Farr 30 with an ORC rating of 51 base. It is rating with a non-overlapping headsail. The mainsail on this boat is 290.6 sq. ft. while the ORC certificate has it at 293 sq. ft. It carries an asymmetrical spinnaker of 882 sq. ft. as the standard. After discussion the members presented voted to assign a provisional rating of 51.
    2. 2023 Certificate 17197 Fearless, Jeanneau Sun Fast 3300, Phil Haydon, owner. This is the boat formally named Alchemist that was previously rated with a base of 63. After discussion the members presented voted to assign the same base rating of 63.
    3. 2023 Certificate 17216 Cookie Monster, Salona 380, Stephen Hale, owner. The owner provided ratings from PHRF Chesapeake showing a rating of 75/78 and an ORC rating of 597.7 which the members considered to be suspect. Chesapeake rates a J35 at 72 and PHRF-NB rate a J35 at 75. This boat compares to a J35. YRALIS rates this model at 78.It compares to an X382. After discussion the members presented voted to assign a provisional rating of 81.
    4. Question as to whether a J-46, should receive a roller furling credit. After discussion the members presented voted to assign a roller furling credit to J-46’s if reported on the certificate.
    5. 2023 Certificate 17221 Corvus, Morris 36 Justine SD, Chris Terajewicz owner. There are 3 of these models registered. Corvus has a tall mast but a Sheel shoal draft keel. After discussion the members presented agreed that the base of the shoal draft should be used and adjusted for the tall mast a provisional rating of 165 was assigned.
    6. 2023 Certificate XXXXX Saltydog, Tartan 3700 WK, This is the winged keel model which compares to the Tartan 37-2 which has a base of 129. The standard keel model of this boat has a base of 106. This boat is sailing with a 110% headsail. After discussion the members presented voted to assign a provisional rating of 118.
    7. Morris M36 and Morris MSD, discussion of Morris models that were rated incorrectly. The boat Pearl was rated as a shoal draft in 2019 but is not a shoal draft and has not submitted a 2023 certificate request. It was determined that all Morris shoal draft models are currently rated correctly.
    8. 2023 Certificates 17246 & 17421 Leonessa, Baltic 42 DP CB, Raymond DeLeo owner. Replaced rudder, see below email and photos. After discussion the members presented agreed more research on the weight difference is needed to determine if any adjustment is required.
  6. Old Business:
    1. Roy’s update on status of new web page from his March discussions. A punch list of items to address is being prepared. The developer suggests that the database be moved to a different server and this will be done shortly.
  7. New Business:
    1. Rating of Bloopers – 2023 Certificate Mischief, Sequin 40CTM, Dave Schwartz, owner found a blooper and question if he lists the sail will there be an adjustment to his rating? Will will check other PHRF sites to see how these are handled.
    2. May meeting will be on the 22nd – via Zoom
  8. Adjournment: Motion made and seconded to adjourn at 8:36pm and passed on vote.

 

 

Dear Ratings Committee,

Concerning my PHRF-NB renewal application I noted that my original fiberglass rudder built by Baltic Yachts in Finland was changed to a carbon fiber one. The reasons for doing so were precipitated by being struck and broken beyond repair (see IMG_7251, 6219 & 6290 attached) by a pilot whale on 6/30/22 on the return trip from Bermuda following the 2022 Newport Bermuda Race. Shortly after arrival and hauling at the Hincklety facility in Portsmouth I began seeking proposals for a replacement first from Baltic Yachts learning that it would be cost prohibitive to have one fabricated and shipped from Finland, then GMT in Bristol who wouldn’t fabricate one in fiberglass, only carbon fiber and would not remove the broken one or install a new one, Hinckley Yachts were too busy and did not give me an estimate.

 

I contacted Moore Bros., also located in Bristol, and was advised that a fiberglass one would cost almost the same as a carbon one due to there being more labor costs and not be as strong as a carbon fiber one. I was also interested in returning my vessel to service as soon as possible in an attempt to salvage what was left of the season. Moore Bros. were also going to remove the old rudder and then install the new one after fabrication. They had the original specifications from Baltic in their computer system and w measure the old rudder to verify the information.

 

In the interest of time and the fact that the new rudder would be the same exact dimensions as the original but stronger made my decision easier. I have attached pictures of the original broken rudder (IMG_6109) and the new one (IMG_7259).

 

It should be noted that any additional weight savings are miniscule when compared to the 27,000 LB vessel with the addition of AC, electric winches, two refrigeration systems, etc. since the vessel was first launched and weighed. It should also be noted that my 2023 PHRF-NE and 2023 ORR ratings did not change as result of the new rudder.

 

It is hard enough for older heavier built vessels such as mine to compete against more modern, lighter vessels on the shorter in shore and coastal race courses without having the burden a being penalized for such a minor change in weight.

 

Please feel free to contact me if your committee is in need of any further information or clarifications.

 

Best regards,

Ray DeLeo

27 March 2023, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB
Minutes
March 2023

Date:          Monday, March. 27, 2023
Time:         1830
Location:   Zoom

 

  1. Call to Order: 6:48pm
  2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore: Will Museler, Rating Chairman: Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ec Helme, Committee Member; Mark Nannini, Committee Member; Randy Shore, Committee Member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator
  3. Approval Meeting Minutes: Minutes of the February 2022 meeting seconded and approved by the members present.
  4. Appeals: None
  5. Ratings: Review Request:
    1. Sunfast 3300 Will described his discussion with Jonathan Banks at Bluenose Yacht Sales in reference to the Sunfast 33’s to obtain the manufactures specifications for the dimensions of these boats. Will has obtained the base sail plan measurements for the Sunfast 3300. New boats will be using the square top main.
    2. In addition Marshall Bailey of Kingdom Marine acting on behalf of Jonathan Banks, requested the committee supply the rating impact of lengthening the sprit on a new owner’s Sunfast 3300. Which we have not acted on.
  6. Ratings Review:
    1. Certificate 16914 – X50 – Odyssey – Members agreed that the performance issue that the boat experiences is due to the conversion to an asymmetrical spinnaker. In Feb meeting motion was made and seconded to leave the base and adjustments as is for the 2023 season. Will Museler revisited the adjustment chart for converting from a symmetrical to an a-symmetrical spinnaker which gives more credit to heavier boats and benefits cruisers who tack an asymmetrical sail forward of the headstay but within the J measurement guidelines.
    2. Certificate 16992, Liberty, Pogo 36, email from Wes Pelland. The members present agreed that since this boat provided no racing results no action will be taken. Based on the ORC rating the PHRF-NB rating appears correct.
    3. Question surface regarding Mumm 30’s and any credit that they might receive if using only an asymmetrical spinnaker. The current adjustments allow a credit for declaring only carrying an asymmetrical. If both asymmetrical and symmetrical are carried there is no credit.
    4. Discussion of a boat having multiple certificates declaring various sail combinations. There is nothing in our rules that prevents this. It is up to individual clubs to set rules regarding how they handle these situations.
    5. C&C 30’s will be using the 2022 rating that was established for them.
  7. :Old Business
    1. Will updated the ongoing review and tweaking of the Ida Lewis Distance Race to include reaching legs. Polars have been set up for 3 boats to run tests for course options with the goal of having the divisions finish as close as possible to each other. Additional divisions are being considered to provide for tighter rating groups.
    2. Roy’s updated and demonstrated the new web page and changes most importantly for certificate holders is that payment takes place at the end of the process. The demonstration solicited suggestions for more changes or additions which Roy will discuss with the vendor. Overall the new pages look very good.
    3. The EG Racing Seminar has been canceled due to a conflict with the Newport to Bermuda seminar.
  8. New Business:
    1. Meeting April 24th – Zoom
  9. Adjournment: 8:25 pm

 

From: Wes Pelland <wes@nekasailing.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 5:57 AM
To: Kathy Rotsky <phrfadmin@phrf-nb.org>
Subject: Liberty Pogo 36

Hello Kathy,

I’m trying to catch you guys early before things start getting busy.  Our boat Liberty a Pogo 36 you rated last year is what I’m inquiring about. We didn’t end up doing any sailing in NB in PHRF do to having engine issues that preveted us from leaving our area so unfortunately I don’t have any data for you to support our claim but the rating of 6 seems like a mistake. I just want to be sure that you guys are rating the correct boat as we would like to do some sailing in Newport this season with the boat.  Our pogo 36 is a cruising boat with a full interior and a swing keel it does ok off the wind and down wind but doesn’t sail upwind very well and has been given a base boat rating on the Long Island sound and in the SF Bay of 57.   This seems to track as during our weeknight sailing on  Long Island sound with rating of 57 she is not as fast as our local j120s or the figaro 3 Celeritas which you have both rated at 48 we also will lose a short race badly to a j111 at a rating of 44.  Liberty is well prepared she has brand new sails a good bottom all the running rigging has been updated to control the sails as needed and the boat is sailed by a crew that does very well in other boats. Once we start sailing her this season I will have more data but I wanted to get this on your radar during the remainder of the off season.

Thank you for your consideration,
Wes Pelland

 

 

 

 

27 February 2023, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB
Minutes
February 27, 2023

 

Date:          Monday, Feb. 27, 2023

Time:         1830

Location:   Zoom

 

        1. Call to Order: at 6:32pm
        2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore;  Will Museler, Rating Chairman;  Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ec Helme, committee member; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member;  Randy Shore, Committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator
        3. Approval Meeting Minutes: Motion made and seconded to accept the November 2022 minutes as presented, members present unanimously voted to accept.
        4. Review Draft of 2023 Annual Meeting minutes – members present agreed that no changes to the 2023 annual meeting minutes were required other than the correction to attendance of the board members.
        5. Appeals: Pugilist, Martin 49, 2022 certificate 16763, skipper Darris Witham represented owner Dudley Johnson. Formerly Summer Storm. Pugilist has a base rating of -45 and sails at -39 spinnaker. Mr. Witham reviewed the performance of Pugilist in comparison to other with established ratings that they had sailed against in 2022 the 1st year this boat was companied. A number of supporting documents were submitted with the appeal. Mr. Witham indicated that he believed an adjustment of 3 seconds bringing the base to -42 would make Pugilist more competitive. Mr. Witham was thanked for his time and was told that a notification of a decision on the appeal would be hopefully made this week. The committee then went on to discuss this appeal and compared Pugilist to Watermark a Hinckley B50 base of -36 and Outlier a Botin 55 base of -36. The biggest concern of the members present was the lack of substantial, meaningful race results. A motion was made and seconded to leave the rating at -45 and indicate that for 2024 a review with more race results would be helpful in rating this boat. The members present voted for leaving the base at -45 with Randy Shore abstaining.
        6. Ratings: Review Request:
          Glenn Walker, JV-66, Denali, 2022 certificate 16364 base of -124 – a request for the impact of increasing the sprit 10% and an increase in the size of the largest spinnaker by 5.8% and the main by 3.675% was accompanied by an ORC test certificate reflecting the changes. Upon review of these changes and the appropriate charts it was agreed that the sprit would reflect a -3 sec adjustment and the main would reflect a -1 sec adjustment resulting in a base of Johnathan Banks, Sunfast 3300 – an email was received from Jonathan Banks at Bluenose Yacht Sales in reference to the Sunfast 33’s currently rated by PHRF-NB providing ORC certificates for Alchemist and Byte specifying various measurements. This lead to a review of the current measurements for each of the Sunfast 3300 rated by PHRF-NB which identified differences between boats and what PHRF-NB using the manufacturers information had on file. Will Museler will contact Jeanneau to obtain the manufactures specifications for the dimensions of these boats. In addition Marshall Bailey of Kingdom Marine acting on behalf of Jonathan Banks, requested the committee supply the rating impact of lengthening the sprit on a new owners Sunfast 3300. This request will be followed upon when manufacturer’s measurements are obtained. Members present agreed to this course of action.
        7. Ratings Review:
          1. Certificate 17047 – C&C 30 Nyabinghi – 2022 base 48 no action reviewed November 2022
          2. Certificate 17066 – Reichel Pugh Z-86 – Oakcliff OC86– 2022 base -114 no action reviewed November 2022
          3. Certificate 16914 – X50 – Odyssey – 2022 base 6 this boat has been previously discussed and the members agreed that the performance issue that the boat experiences is due to the conversion to an asymmetrical spinnaker and the tactical decisions used. There is also discussion of the XP50 and X50 differences. A motion was made and seconded to leave the base and adjustments as is for the 2023 season. Will Museler will revisit the adjustment chart for converting from a symmetrical to an a-symmetrical spinnaker.
          4. Certificate 16480 – Eggemoggin47+ – Tink – 2022 Base 36. It was agreed in November to look at the rating of Tink once again. Based on the performance of this boat in its 1st year of competing and the adjustment previously made a motion was made to adjust the base rating by 3 seconds, the motion was seconded and the members present voted unanimously to a base of 33 for 2023.
          5. BRISTOL 39/40 K Incognita 2020 Base159 or Mirari 2020 Base 168 it was noted that the rating for Mirari should have reflected that the boat was reconfigured to a yawl and the base should be 159. The system will be updated to reflect this.
          6. HERRESHOFF S Boat base 203 vs HERRESHOFF S Boat ODR Base 204 – the owners of S boats agreed on a base of 203 and the PHRF-NB committee will rate them as such. Change due to different size of mainsails.
          7. MORRIS M36 2020 Base 159 vs MORRIS M36 SD 2021 Base 123 (heavier with Wing Keel) a discrepancy in the 159 rating of the Morris M36 was discovered and it was agreed to change the base to 123. Members present agreed to this change for 2023
          8. TARTAN 37 SD 2019 Base 147 vs TARTAN 37-3 SCHEEL 2023 Base 123, US Sailing 124. a discrepancy in the 147 rating of the Tartan 37SD was discovered and it was agreed to change the base to 123. Members present agreed to this change for 2023.
        8. Old Business:
          1. Update on status of new web page. Roy has spoken with them and they believe the new system will be ready by April 1st. Roy will be meeting with them on February 28.
          2. Add Graduated costs: $50 new Cert, $25 Change to Cert, $100 new Cert or Change within 5 days of requirement the number of days for a new Cert or Change was agreed by the members present to be 7 days in place of 5 days.
          3. Rename drop down “Rating Rules” to “Rules & Instruction”, New sub-drops “Rating Rules”, “Appeals” add Appeal Guidance, “Principles of PHRF-NB” and “Instructions & Guides”. These minor changes will be submitted.
          4. Corrections will be made to the database. Listing of consistent model nomenclature with their base rating as described above for 2023 certificates Roy mentioned mentioned that we should implement the base rating for these boats as another column in the model nomenclature table so it can be used in at least two situation: Base Ratings display (ala PHRF-NE) and for calling up in the certificate rating table.
        9. New Business:
          1. Consistency of our ratings with “as designed / class rules”. Members present agreed to follow as designed for the base.
          2. Policy discussion on outside organizations requesting their Flyers/Notices be sent out using our email list. PHRF-NB provided a one-time list of certificate holders to NBYA.
          3. Meeting March 27th – Zoom and/or place. To be decided on availability of members and locations.
          4. Vin indicated the East Greenwich will be hosting a seminar in the same format as 2022 with all sailing groups invited to speak/present their programs on March 25, 2023. Will Museler will present for PHRF-NB
          5. Next meeting March 27, 2023 6:30pm Zoom or tbd.
        10. Adjournment: 8:25pm

25 January 2023, Annual PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB
2023 Annual Meeting
Minutes

 

Date:          Wednesday, January 25, 2025

Time:         1830

Location:   Bristol Yacht Club and Zoom

 

Call to Order 6:35pm

Roll Call – Don Kern, 2022 Commodore; Will Museler, 2022 Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, 2022 Treasurer;  Bob Horton, 2022 Secretary; (via Zoom) Ec Helme, 2022 Committee Member; Todd Johnston, 2022 Committee Member; Vin McAteer, 2022 Committee Member; Mark Nannini, 2022 Committee Member; Matt Smith, 2022 Committee Member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator (via Zoom)

Members present: Trisha McElroy Conanicut YC & Goat Island YC, Bruce Cox, Bristol YC, Buster Pike, Twenty Hundred Club, David Schwartz, Bristol YC, Timothy Grimes NYYC & Sail Newport and Twenty Hundred Club, Mark Rotsky, Bristol YC

Approval of 2022 Annual Meeting Minutes. Motion Made, seconded and approved to accept the 2022 Annual Meeting minutes.

Treasurers Report: Treasurer Roy Guay presented 2022 Financial Report including certificate tracking (copy attached) Motion made, seconded and approved to accept the 2022 annual treasurers report.

Nomination of 2023 officers –                                                                                        Commodore – Don Kern                                                                                                             Rating Chairman – Will Museler                                                                                            Treasurer – Roy Guay                                                                                                           Secretary – Bob Horton

Proposed Changes for 2023 Season:

a) Re-hosting of the existing PHRF-NB Website to a new vendor. Major change will be the payment process which will take place at the end instead of the start of the certificate.  The system will convert metric measurements to standard measurements. There will be an option to opt in or out of other organization emails with a list of accepted 3rd PHRF-NB will send out information for NBYA when asked and appropriate.  Plan is to be live on the new platform by April 1, 2023

b) Minor updating of PHRF-NB Regulations: Any changes will be to clarify or correct existing information. The conversion adjustment for symmetrical to A-symmetrical spinnakers is being reviewed.

New Business: Questions were asked from the floor as to whether a trial certificate option would be available. Currently phone calls are received by Kathy Rotsky asking what if’s for hypothetical changes and these take time and effort to ascertain if a rating adjustment will be applied. Because of the nature of these inquiries it is difficult to create a software solution that could accurately handle these times of scenarios. Such an option was not included in the design request with the new vendor.

Mark Nannini reminded everyone that PHRF is not a Gran Prix rating system and there are automated limitations to the capabilities of local PHRF groups. The Committee will investigate the automation of the appropriate tables into application process.

Open Discussion: Thanks were extended to the individuals who attended the meeting.

Adjourned at 7:05pm

28 November 2022, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB
Minutes
November 2022

 

Date:          Monday, November 28, 2022
Time:         1830
Location:   Zoom

  1. Call to Order: 6:35pm
  2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore;  Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ec Helme, committee member; Todd Johnston, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Matt Smith, committee member;  Kathy Rotsky PHRF-NB Administrator
  3. Approval Meeting Minutes: The members present voted to approve the October 19, 2022 minutes
  4. Appeals:
    None
  5.  Ratings:
    None
  6. Ratings Review:
  1. a) Certificate 16326 Beneteau First SE Hawksbill

                Certificate 16993 Beneteau First 27 Benutii

A letter form David Wilson to Roy Guay prompted an in depth discussion of the 2 boats differences and similarities. Numerous searches of the internet and other PHRF areas revealed a plethora of information but none that indicated how many 27SE models were built. The owner of Hawksbill has owned and raced   a Catalina 36 with little success, racing in the Wickford weeknight series and the Solo Twin and also the Bermuda race. The move to a sport boat was described as a might leap for most sailors. Hawksbill had filed an appeal in May 2022 asking for review of his original rating of a base of 84. His appeal was successful and adjustment to 90 was made. Hawksbill raced this season in Jamestown which has windward leeward courses and the 27SE has not been competitive on such courses. A number of ratings for the Seascape 27 and Beneteau 27SE were provided by the owner to support his recent letter. After reviewing the Beneteau First 27 to the Seascape 27 and Beneteau 27SE it was agreed that the First 27 is very different compared to the other two. The 27 SE was compared to the J-92 with a base of 96, J92S base of 96 and Melges 24 base of 99. It was agreed by the members present that a new base of 96 for the Beneteau 27SE, a new base for the Seascape 27 of 99 and a new base for the Beneteau First 27 of 111 should be recorded for 2023

  1. b) Certificate 16364 – Judel Vrolijk 66 – Denali

The only results in 2022 were from the Safe Harbor Regatta, (3- 1sts, 1- 4th, 1- 5th) indicate that the current base rating does not need to be adjusted. The members present agreed to leave the current base at -124 for 2023

  1. c) Certificate 17044 – Mills 41 – Final Final

After review of the 2022 Ida Lewis race results the members present agreed to leave the current 2022 base of -30 for 2023.

  1. d) Certificate 16992 – Pogo 36MH – Liberty

After review the members present agreed to leave the current 2022 base rating of 6 for 2023

  1. e) Certificate16335 – Freedom 30sd – Serendipity

After review of 2022 Jamestown results of a 2nd overall the members present agreed to leave the current 2022 base rating of 202 for 2023

  1. f) Certificate 16763 – Marten 49 – Pugilist

After review of the 2022 Safe Harbor results, a 5t place in class the members present agreed to leave the current 2022 base rating of -45 for 2023

  1. g) Certificate 16929 – JPK 45 – Take Two

this boat raced a number of regatta, Ida Lewis Distance, Bud Humphrey, Wickford. The boat shows speed on a beat when there is a breeze but is not a downwind star due to small sail area downwind. It won the Ida Lewis Distance race. After the review the members present agreed to adjust the 2022 base rating of 54 to 51 for 2023

  1. h) Certificate 17076 – Reichel Pugh 45 – Pterdactyl

The 2022 base rating was done via email committee votes due to a last minute submission for the Safe Harbor Regatta. Based on the assigned PHRF-NB base of -66 this boat dis not race PHRF by instead raced ORC. The members present agreed to leave the base at -66 for 2023

  1. i) Certificate 16370 – Camden Knockabout – Ponyo

After a short review the members present agreed to leave the 2022 base of 201 in effect for 2023.

The following boats will be reviewed prior to March of 2023

Certificate 17047 – C&C 30 Nyabinghi – 2022 base 48
Certificate 17066 – Reichel Pugh Z-86 – Oakcliff OC86- 2022 base -114
Certificate 16914 – X50 – Odyssey – 2022 base 6
Certificate 16480 – Eggemoggin47+ – Tink 2022 Base 30

7. Old Business:

    1. No new modifications to the new web page were identified.
    2. Will Museler updated the group on the changes that the Ida Lewis Distance Race is proposing to make for 2023 in an attempt to make the racing tighter and the finishers complete the courses in close proximity by class. The ORC vs PHRF certificate selection by boat is being looked at to see if a ORC certificate holder could be requested to only race under ORC. More to come.

8. New Business:

  1. Annual Meeting – It was agreed that the annual meeting will be held in person on Wednesday, January 26 at the Bristol Yacht Club, Kathy Rotsky to confirm with BYC.

 

9. Adjournment: 8:47pm

19 October 2022, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB
Minutes
October 2022

 

Date:            Wednesday, October 19, 2022

                    Gulfstream Bar & Grille, 1 Lagoon Rd, Portsmouth

Time:           1830

Location:     Zoom

  1. Call to Order: 7:00pm
  2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Todd Johnston, committee member; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Randy Shore, committee member, Matt Smith, committee member Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator
  3. Approval Meeting Minutes: Minutes of September 26, 2022 meeting approved by members present.
  4.  Appeals:
    1. None
  5.  Ratings:
    1. None
  6. Ratings Review: The members present agreed that the following boats should be reviewed to insure that the rating assigned is as accurate as possible based on 2022 race results and other input as appropriate

 

16993 Simon Milne Beneteau First 27 Benutii
16364 Michael D’Amelio Judel Vrolijk 66 Denali
17044 Jon Desmond Mills 41 Final Final
16326 David Wilson Beneteau First 27 SE Hawksbill
16992 Richard Fleischman Pogo 36 MH Liberty
17047 Peter McClennen C&C 30 ODR Nyabinghi
17066 Oakcliff Sailing Reichel Pugh Z-86 Oakcliff OC86
16914 Alfred Van Liew /David Brodsky X-50 Odyssey
17076 Scott Weisman, Sjambok  Invest Reichel Pugh 45 Pterdactyl
16929 Gordon Fletcher JPK 45 Take Two
16480 Jack Lefort Eggemoggin 47+ Tink
16335 Gary Venable Freedom 30sd Serendipity
16370 Paul Koch Camden clas Knockabout Ponyo
16763 Dudley Johnson Marten 49 Pugilist
  1. Old Business:
    1. None

VIII       New Business:

 

  1. a) Will Museler is a consultant to the Ida Lewis YC and will be providing analysis of and for the 24 hour race in 2023
  2. b) US Sailing continues to be unresponsive to our inquiries and attempts to interface concerning PHRF
  3. c) Membership is slightly down for the year 2022
  4. d) Members present agreed that the $50.00 annual certificate fee should continue.
  5. e) The option of investing in VPP software was presented to the members present and voted to look at    the benefit and cost of software.
  6. f) Meeting November 28th – members present voted to meet via Zoom

 

IX      Adjournment: 8:45pm

26 September 2022, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB Minutes September 2022

Date:          Monday, September 26, 2022

Time:         1830

Location:   Zoom

  1. Call to Order: 6:35pm

  1. Roll Call:  Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Bob Horton, Secretary;  Ken Madeiro, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member; Matt Smith, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator

III.        Approval Meeting Minutes: August 2022 minutes approved by the members present

  1. Appeals:
  2. a) None

  1. Ratings:
  2. a) None

  1. Ratings Review: Commodore Kern asked that a list of boats that were given 2022 Provisional Ratings or that have observed performance that calls into question their current PHRF-NB rating be submitted for review at the October meeting.

VII.        Old Business:

  1. A) None

viii.     New Business: The East Greenwich YC is proposing to offer a seminar similar to the 2022    Racing on the Bay seminar that they held. Vin McAteer was looking for thoughts from the         PHRF-NB committee on the viability and interest for such a repeat seminar. Members   present including Will Museler who was a presenter at the 2022 event believed it is valuable         and should be repeated.

           Next meeting will be October 19 at Gulfstream restaurant in Portsmouth – more info to          follow

VIII.        Adjournment: 7:35pm

29 August 2022, PHRF0NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB Minutes August 2022

Date:          Monday, August 29, 2022

Time:         1830

Location:   Zoom

  1. Call to Order: 6:30pm

  1. Roll Call:  Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ec Helme, committee member; committee member;  Ken Madeiro, committee member; Matt Smith, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator

III.        Approval Meeting Minutes: July 2022 minutes approved by the members present

  1. Appeals:
  2. a)      None
  3. b)    2022 Certificate #16954 Mills 41, Final Final, Jon Desmond, owner
  4. Ratings:
  5. a)      2022 Certificate #16990 – McCurdy and Rhodes 48, Carina, Rives Potts, owner. Clarification on details draft and ‘J’, received, a provisional rating of 57 was assigned.
  6. b)      2022Certificate #17008 – Baltic 56-03, Runaway Bunny. Ben Mackay, owner. The spinnaker measurements requested have been received and accounted for. A provisional rating of -30 was assigned.
  7. Ratings Review:
  8. a)      2022 Certificate #16909 – Swan 48-2- Dragon, Hugh Balloch owner.  Awaiting an update by Matt Smith of the review of the information provided by Hugh Balloch to determine if any action should be taken regarding a rating adjustment. Matt Smith provided that the spar would be lighter but that the furling gear would add weight. The 1 ft. taller mast would not be significant. The headsail and the mainsail maintain the same dimensions. The furler for the A-sail is a top down. The members present agreed on a -3 second adjustment for the carbon rig instead of the normal 6 second adjustment due to the internal roller furler. Base rating assigned is 39

VII.        Old Business:

  1. a)    Communication with 6 Square on finalization on contract of update to PHRF-NB website.
  2. i)             Have we ensured that the payment for certificate(s) occurs after filling out of the application(s) and that all the required data is present to make a rating before it can be acted upon by the committee?  –  What are the required blanks to be filled out? What additional drop downs do we want, a $100.00 fee for expedited processing.

viii.     New Business:

  1. a)      A Luders 24 Certificate 16428, Nan Hall owner, has been racing with a non-declared spinnaker not reflected on their certificate. Committee recommended that the Race Committee Chairman at BYC be notified.
  2. b)      Meeting September 26th – An in person dinner meeting was voted by members present for September. Kathy Rotsky to find a location and query members.

VIII.        Adjournment: 7:35pm

25 July 2022, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NBMinutesJuly 25, 2022

Date:          Monday, July 25, 2022

Time:         1830

Location:   Zoom

  1. Call to Order: 1830

  1. Roll Call:  Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Randy Shore, committee member; Kathy Rotsky PHRF-NB Administrator

III.        Approval Meeting Minutes: Minutes of June 2022 minutes approved by members present

  1. Appeals:
  2. a)      C&C 30 Randy Shore provided an excellent overview of the EOS program which is in memory of Edward Oliver Sanchez who has passed away and it is intended to promote youth sailing. Kings Point and Sail Newport are both supporting the program in various ways and degrees. Currently there are 3 C&C 30’s in the EOS program and 2 other C&C 30s that race in the same group/class. The documentation that was submitted for the rating appeal was reviewed and various questions asked by the members present were answered by Randy Shore. After a 45 minute review is was agreed by a majority of the members present to adjust the C&C rating by 6 seconds for a new base of 48.
  3. Ratings:
  4. a)      2022 Certificate #16954 Mills 41, Final Final, Jon Desmond, owner. A long discussion regarding what model Mills 41 this really was and if the boat had been known by any other name at some previous time resulted in the data provided by the owner being used to determine a provisional base rating of -30 by the members present.
  5. b)      2022 Certificate #16967 Shannon 50 Staysail Ketch, Besa, John Fuller, owner. PHRF-NE has this model at a 114 base. A review of the boat as described in the certificate resulted in the members present voting to assign a provisional base rating of 120
  6. c)      2022 Certificate #16990 – McCurdy and Rhodes 48, Carina, Rives Potts, owner. The certificated was thought to be in need of clarification on certain details such as Draft and J measurements. LI Sound has a rating and ORC lists the boat as rating equivalent 50 while IRC rates it equivalent 62. Kathy Rotsky will contact the owner for clarification on our questions so that a base rating can be assigned. Members present agreed to this action.
  7. d)      2022 Certificate #16992 – Pogo 36, Liberty, Richard Fleischman, owner. A thorough review of the details of this boat included viewing pictures of the same model on line and comparing it to a Farr 40 fractional rig which currently rates 8. The boat carries a quarehead main and the hounds have been increased by 3 feet.  Of 2 existing boats that carry ORC certificates, 1 is a masthead and the other fractional. It was decided that due to the hounds being moved 3 feet that PHRF-NB would designate this boat as a masthead. The boat has a lifting keel that would not appear to be used while racing. After a thorough review it was agreed by the members present to assign a provisional rating of 6.
  8. e)      2022 Certificate #17002 – Hallberg Rassy 44, Callisto, Deric Hetzel, owner. This boat has non-overlapping headsails and a masthead kite. It carries a Code 0 that will have a -7 adjustment to the base rating. This model boat falls into comparisons with boats that have a range of 66 to 115. It compares favorably to Sense 60 which rates 66 spinnaker and it was also compared to a J109 which rates72. It is registered to race in the Solo Twin. The members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 72.
  9. f)       2022 Certificate #17008 – Baltic 56-03, Runaway Bunny, Ben Mackay, owner. This boat has non-overlapping headsails and compares to various known boats such as White Rhino a Swan 56 rating -26, Irie -57, Preval -46, Pugilist a Martin 49 at -39, No spinnaker measurements were provided so the certificate will not be issued until those are received. The members present agreed to a provisional rating of -30 that will be assigned once the spinnaker measurements are and taken into account to assign the sailing ratings.
  10. g)      2022 Certificate #17014 – Italia98, Christopher Dragon XII, Andrew Weiss, owner. These models have been doing very well in Europe over the past few years. The model won Key West and placed 1st in class in Bermuda. An ORC of 590 converts to 40 in PHRF. The boat was compared to a Taylor 41 rating 52 and it could also compare to an IMX40 or XP 38 or a J122. It was noted that the E measurement is off and may be 17.55 not 11.48 as owner listed. This will be confirmed by Kathy Rotsky. The members present agreed t a provisional rating of 45.
  11. Ratings Review:
  12. a)      2022 Certificate #16909 – Swan 48-2- Dragon.  There was no update by Matt Smith of the review of the information provided by Hugh Balloch to determine if any action should be taken regarding a rating adjustment.

VII.        Old Business:

  1. a)      Communication with 6 Square on finalization on contract of update to PHRF-NB website. Progress is being made on the move to 6 Square and dates for testing are being finalized.

VIII.     New Business:

There was feedback from various sources that the 2022 rating on certificate #16480, Tink an            Eggamoggin 47 of 60 was favorable based on the 8 race performance at the NYYC Regatta. A review       by the committee on this boats performance lead to a decision that a more realistic and accurate rating       would be a base of 36 and with adjustment sailing at 32. It was obvious to the committee that an adjustment should be made. It was agreed that a special meeting would be called after the owner of          Tink was notified that a change was being considered. Will Museler would be notifying the owner            that we reviewed his performance to our initial rating and felt justified in making and adjustment.

Subsequent to this meeting and Will Museler’s call to the owner, the owner had no objection to a      rating change ot a new base of 36.

Meeting August 29th – Zoom

VIII.        Adjournment: 2124