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PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes February 2021

Date:          Monday, February 22, 2021
Time:         1830

Location:   Zoom

1. Call to Order 1845
2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Paul Cronin, Committee Member; Paul Grimes, Committee Member; Ken Madeiro, Committee Member; Vin McAteer, Committee Member; Moose McClintock, Committee Member; Mark Nannini, Committee Member; Randy Shore, Committee Member; Kathy Rotsky, Administrator

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: November 2021 motion made and seconded to approve, members present approved motion

1. Review Draft of 2021 Annual Meeting, no additional changes other than one from Commodore Kern
2. Appeals:
3. a)        Mark Serti, Das Blau Max, Farr (Mumm) 30 was not present, discussion of the boat and current rating took place by members present. Formal appeal postponed to March meeting.

1. Ratings:
2. a)       None outstanding

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1. a)       ORA-1/EZ: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings

No status change, Will is getting information. This will be the 1st full year for the Gulf (all boats) and San Diego (sub 30 sec. boats).

1. b)       Revisit application purchase placement

There will be no change in the process of pay 1st this certificate year. As Agree at the October meeting (not in the minutes but in my notes) a request for a certificate within 5 days will cost $100.00. This is to be added to the 2021 certificate process and added to the instructions’

1. c)       Water Ballast

Paul Cronin’s and Will Museler’s notes have been distributed. A long discussion regarding water ballast, placement of tanks and usefulness on short race courses along with current certificates that indicate water ballast was held comparing crew #’s and weight and benefits. More information will be developed and distributed because water ballast is becoming more common on newer boats.

1. d)       2020 certificate breakdown by rating

This was provided by Bob Horton for information as to the ratings that make up our certificate base.

VIII.    New Business:

1. a)       J-121 water ballast rating – Jeff Johnstone asked to speak but was not present, item will be placed on March meeting agenda

1. b)       Headsail paint for UV protection

The members present agreed that pant does not meet the UV cover requirement on cruising headsail rules

1. c)       Hydraulic headstay adjuster

These are allowed and adjusted for by ORC. MORC allowed for hydraulic adjustments with a 1 sec penalty. A discussion regarding the benefits of different standing rigging design followed. This will be further addressed at the March meeting.

1. d)       Composite headstay, ie Carbon on Quest 30

Samba’s headstay was damaged and Tristen has the opportunity to replace the damaged unit with a composite headstay. He would like to know if there would be a penalty adjustment. It was noted that Samba already has composite rigging. Ken Madeiro stated that we currently have a 3 sec adjustment for composite masts and the weight difference of a headstay would be negligible.  Continue to March.

1. e)       Archive of older rules on website

In process, we have changes back to 1999. Suggestion to only go back 5 years. Roy is working backward from 2020 on this project. A formal decision will be made after additional discussion.

1. f)        Meeting March 29th – Zoom and/or place

1. Adjournment

Adjourned 1010

1. 2020 certificate breakdown by rating:

Here is some information from the 2020 certificates file that I sorted down

I’m comfortable with the accuracy of my sorting and resorting files

Bob H.

# Roller furler certificates               +3         118

# Cruising headsail credits             +6           49

Number of boats with 2 certificates        15 boats = 30 certificates

Performance Handicap Racing FleetNarragansett Bay (PHRF-NB)  2021 Annual Meeting Minutes

Date:  January 27, 2021
Attendees:  PHRF-NB Board and Committee and guests
Time:  1830

Location:  Zoom Meeting

1. Call to Order -1830
2. Roll Call – Don Kern, Will Museler, Roy Guay, Bob Horton, Paul Grimes, Todd Johnston, Ken Madeiro, Vin McAteer, Moose McClintock, Mark Nannini, Kathy Rotsky                                                                                      Guests – B. Kneller, EC Helm, M. Sentl, F. Roy, T. Grimes, N. Sollecito, N.Brach, M. Zani, M. Rotsky, S. Mattos

III.    Minutes of the January 2020 annual meeting voted to be approved, seconded and approved

1. Treasurers Report – presented by Roy Guay, motion to approve the minutes was seconded and approved
2. 2021 Officer nominations submitted for approval, seconded and approved

Officers nominated with committee approval.

1. a)               Commodore – Don Kern
2. b)              Rating Chairman – Will Museler
3. c)               Treasurer – Roy Guay
4. d)              Secretary – Bob Horton
5. Proposed Changes for 2021 Season presented by Commodore Kern
6. a)               Updating of Definitions.
7. b)              Continuation of rating adjustments for sails based on Sail Area rather than SPL or JC and Girths, etc., which now includes adjustments for sails smaller than the boat’s standard.
8. c)               Clarification of Roller Furler Credit (+3) and Cruising Headsail Credit (+6).
9. d)              Adjustment to Reaching Headsails (Flying Headsails) Table F. the adjustment has gone from a range of 5 – 10 sec/nm to 2 – 7 sec/nm.

*Question from the floor from B. Kneller, does any rule change potentially change a rating? Response by W. Museler, yes particularly for any credit to a rating where a measurement is required.

* Per Commodore Kern the 2021 rules will be re-formatted to include a table of content indexed to be able to select and go to a specific section

*Noted that in 2021 rules the Cruising Headsail Credit if dropped during the season cannot be reapplied for or re-instated

* Question from the floor from B. Kneller, can the updated rules be set up to reflect past changes? Response from R. Guay that this had been done in the past and we will look at ways to implement this feature again.

*Question from the guests, can the application process change the payment to the end of the new certificate application from the beginning. Response from R. Guay that we will look into this again but it is a more complex change than imagined.

* Question from the floor from F. Roy regarding rigging material. Response from W. Museler the current rules state that there is no penalty for wire or rod standing rigging. Any specialty material should be disclosed in the comments by the applicant.

VII.    Proposed Changes for 2022 Season

No specific items were discussed under this topic.

VIII.    Open Discussion

Question from the floor from S. Mattos, hydraulic head stay cylinders are not addressed in the current rules what are the thoughts of the committee on this. Response from M. Nannini that the rating committee will look at each certificate and judge the impact of such an option and rate it accordingly.

Question from the floor from M. Zani, is the committee looking at providing ratings that would include wind speed? W. Musler responded that PHRF-NB is investigating different options but a key would be if race committees would be interested in adding more complexity. A suggestion from the floor, M. Rotsky, was to use time-on-time instead of time-on-distance for greater accuracy.

1. Adjournment

The 2021 Annual Meeting was adjourned at 1925

Minutes PHRF-NB Monday, November 30, 2020 Meeting

Meeting Location: Zoom

1. Call to Order: 6:35pm
2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Paul Cronin, committee member; Paul Grimes, committee member; Todd Johnston, committee member; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member; Moose McClintock, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: October 2020 members present voted to accept minutes as presented.

1. Appeals:

None

Ratings:

None Outstanding

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2. a)       ORA-1: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings Will has contacted ORRA for Gulf of Mexico they have accumulated a large amount of performance data on a number of boats. The VPP data will be updated annually after the 2 year freeze. They indicated that they will get back to Will.
3. b)       PHRF-NB Rules and Table adjustments to consider for publication and comment

Topics that were discussed included

*Mainsail roller furler adjustment for the weight of the sections and hardware and if any roach reduction. Mast roler and boom roller were discussed regarding sail area. A 3 sec. credit was discussed, Randy and Todd will be queried for thoughts on sail area to be brought back to the group.

*Discussion on the wording for the credits for roller furling jibs/genoas and cruising headsail credit continued. A partial solution to the description wording was to add “OR” between sections C & D.  Also discussed was the need to remove the headsail restriction in C.

A sort of the current certificated that have a roller furler or cruising headsail credit will be provided by Kathy to help understand what we are dealing with.

1. New Business:
2. a)       Mark’s question: “What does PHRF(-NB) want to be? To be discussed at future meetings

VII.    Adjournment: 7:51pm

PHRF-NB Minutes of Monthly Meeting

Date:            Monday, October 26, 2020
Time:           1830

Location:     Zoom

1. Call to Order – 6:40pm
2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore, Will Museler, Rating Chairman, Roy Guay, Treasurer, Bob Horton, Secretary, Paul Cronin, board member, Paul Grimes, board member,  Todd Johnston, board member, Ken Madeiro, board member, Moose McClintock, board member, Mark Nannini, board member, Randy Shore, board member, Kathy Rotsky, PHRF administrator

III.    Approval Previous Meeting Minutes: motion made and seconded to accept the September 2020 minutes

1. Appeals:
2. a)        None

1. Ratings:
2. a)               None outstanding October 2020
3. b)              2 ratings issued via email review by the committee between September meeting and prior to October meeting
4. i)               Certificate 15324, Van Ki Pass, custom 64, Viv Carpenter designer, owner Fredrick Mills, committee voted via email to assign a provisional base rating of -30
5. ii)             Certificate 15326, Neith, Herreshoff one off, Van Brown owner, committee voted via email to assign a provisional base rating of 90
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7. a)       ORA-1/EZ: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings
8. b)       Discussion follows below PHRF-NB Rules and Table adjustments to consider this Fall.
9. i)      Discussion follow regarding – Request input from members: broad announcement and reply deadline

(1)           e-mail from Randy Shore

VII.    New Business:

1. a)       Nov. 30th meeting – method will continue to be via Zoom.
2. b)       Annual meeting will be Wednesday January 27, 2021 via Zoom

VIII.    Adjournment – 9:35pm October 26, 2020

(Email from Randy Shore to Will Museler)

Will,

   Looking straight at the wording (rather than the white sheet in the FAQs), I’m not sure we need to make many changes.

   Specifically, I think the reduction is absolutely needed, otherwise I think it would be an ADVANTAGE to have a roller furling (especially below deck). If it’s so “low profile” that they are struggling to get to the 2.5%, they have to make a choice.

   Given a raised tack (even if not far), shortened hoist, and foil and swivel weight aloft – I’m ok with the credit as is, but it should have all three components.

   Ie, keep 1. as is.

    Onto Cruising credit:

       I have a problem with 2.1 – because some folks may have a below deck furler, but still use their single headsail racing/day sailing, etc. as their “only” headsail. So they shouldn’t lose the ability to collect the Cruising credit, just because their furler is below deck. I would change this requirement to read; “sail shall be attached to bottom drum, and top swivel on a functional furling system, and shall be furled when not in use and when racing.”

    The verbiage on 2.2 is already correct. This can be their only sail larger than 110%, but I don’t read this as requiring the sail to be larger than 110%. This fixes the problem of them going from a 150 to a 120, to a 100. But it doesn’t fix the problem of them going from a light 108, to a hvy 108, to a 100. Do we need to fix that? Probably not.

    I put some thought into Todd’s point about 2.6: “must be woven polyester”. There are good cruising options out there that aren’t woven polyester. Specifically; 3Di Nordac, and polyester cruising laminates with taffeta (DCX) or liteskin (TEC-LS). There is a bit of an issue this could open up; with a grey liteskin over black polyester, how can we tell if it’s not a racing headsail? I guess we would just have to stick with the “self-policing sport”. The other issue, is that we are still excluding some “cruising type sails” on larger boats, like SXI, or HydraNet, or Flex Ultra – for the most part cruising options, but because of the spectra – prohibited. And it would be tricky to add, without allowing some 3Di Enduro.

    I guess how I would write it: The Cruising headsail must be of polyester fibers (no Aramid, technora, Spectra, Ultra-PE, or Carbon), either woven or with a woven taffeta or composite skin (no polyester/mylar only).

Randy

Roller Furler Discussion:

1. Roller Furler Credit (+3) is intended to compensate cruisers not racers
2. Headsails shall comply with the following:
3. All sails to be used shall have a luff length 2.5% of the I measurement shorter than the head stay length as measured from the deck sheer line to the mast intersection. Should it move to 3% or 4% this would not affect most cruisers and sailmakers could still add foot round.

iii. Furler bottom drum mounted above the deck.

1. The sail shall be attached to the bottom drum and top swivel, system shall be functional. Should we add must be attached to a metal (aluminum) extrusion
2. The headsail being used shall be the primary race headsail
3. The sail shall be furled when not in use and racing.
4. Cruising Headsail Credit (+6) This represents 3 sec for roller furler and 3 sec for headsail restriction.
5. Compliance with the Roller Furling Credit requirements (6c).
6. The cruising headsail is the only headsail greater than 110% used while racing.

iii. The cruising headsail is stored on the head stay when not racing.

1. The cruising headsail is regularly used as the primary genoa/headsail when the boat is day sailing or cruising.
2. The cruising headsail has a UV leach cover.
3. The cruising headsail must be of a woven polyester material. Exotic sail cloths are not allowed (Pentax, Mylar, Kevlar, Spectra, Technora, Carbon, etc.).

If cruising headsail credit is issued during the original certificate request it CAN be replaced (dropped) in favor of another sail but CANNOT be reactivate during the same sailing season.

If cruising headsail credit is requested after the original certificate request it CANNOT be replaced (dropped) in favor of another sail during the same sailing season.

Randy Shore brought up below deck furlers on true production cruising boats should be able to get the cruising headsail credit

Members present agreed to table the 2.5% to 4% furler and aluminum extrusion decision until additional information on the impact to existing certificate holders could be determined. A number of production boats do not have an extrusion for their furlers, Class 40, J121, Melges 24

Cruising headsail credit should include language that standard woven polyester material is necessary to receive credit. Randy and Todd to provide appropriate language.

The wording regarding 110% headsails in the roller furler description will be changed to make it more precise

Outboard and Aperture discussion

2 blade props in apertures are they the same as 3 blade – members thought they are not

3 blade in aperture produce more drag than 2 blade

Feathering props will work in an aperture

Outboards still under discussion for adjustments and One Design

Boats with dropbox will be reviewed on a case by case review.

Other modifications for consideration:

Adding or replacing existing sails with larger % sails is a reportable change modification.

Increasing or decreasing mainsail area Don added a chart to show decreased size equivalent to same chart for increased size.

Discussion of the roller mainsail vs size of the sail which credit is more accurate?

In mast furlering mainsails have a greater hollow, heavier mast sections, less sail area, vertical battens, Todd agreed to review.

For undersized sails to receive a credit the owner must provide a certificate from their sailmaker

Per Todd the average cost to measure a sail is $50.00

The same wording for oversized sails should also be in undersized sails

A fee should be assessed for expedited certificate requests.5 days would be the definition for expedited.

Paul Cronin will review what the committee should account for on boats with water ballast and boats removing weight.

Randy Shore suggested that we identify differences in One Design configurations for obtaining a PHRF-NB certificate, we could use a One Design compliance box on the certificate application and any differences would be required to be listed in comments.

It was noted that the term provisional rating is not described in our rules.

 PHRF-NBMeeting September 28, 2020

Date:           Monday, September28, 2020

Time:          1830

Location:    Zoom

Call to Order – 6:39pm

1. Roll Call: Don Kern, Will Museler, Roy Guay, Bob Horton, Paul Cronin, Paul Grimes, Ken Madeiro, Vin McAteer, Moose McClintock, Mark Nannini, Kathy Rotsky
2. Approval of Meeting Minutes: August 2020, motion made and seconded to

III.    Appeals:

1. a)       none

1. Ratings:
2. a)       2020 Certificate 15268, Dunning 4, Rigadoon, James Grundy owner, Compliments to Moose McClintock for his thoughtful and complete response to the letter received from Mr. Grundy in regard to the provisional rating that was assigned to Rigadoon by the committee at the August meeting. Will Museler provided information from the race results of Rigadoon at NYYC Race Week and the conversion of their ORC rating. It appears we were accurate in our provisional rating.
3. b)       El tata, Certificate 15298, Jeanneau, 410, James Pattison owner, there were questions regarding this certificate as a foot offset was reported in the detail for this boat. There is a base for a Jeanneau 410. It appears that the sail in question is free flying. Kathy to contact Steve Thurston for clarification on this sail to determine if it is a genoa or a spinnaker. It was determined after the meeting that the JC reported was incorrect and this sail has a 48%  smg/foot ratio. A base of 93 was assigned with appropriate adjustments for this sail.
4. c)       Althea, Certificate 15300, Bruckmann, 46 Cutter, Bradford Read owner. The designer of this boat is Mark Ellis and the boat appears to be similar to his design of the Niagara 42. The keel weight on this particular boat appears to be light at 3,333 for a boat with a displacement of 26,000. The members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 96.
5. d)       Chasseur, Certificate 15302, Little Harbor 54, Miles Cook owner. A base of 66 exists for this model. There is a question regarding the JC# and the attachment point for the asymmetrical spinnaker. The members present agreed to a provisional rating of 66 but require additional information for adjustments to the rating. (clarification was received subsequent to the meeting and the necessary adjustments were made and reflected in the sailing rating)
6. e)       Mrs Gee, Certificate 15304, Rhodes 19, Christopher Lee owner no action necessary base of 267 assigned
7. f)        Maura, Certificate 15306, Rhodes 19, Eric McNight owner no action necessary base of 267 assigned
8. g)       Verus Amore, Certificate 15308, Moody 54DS, Berthon USA owner. This boat formerly known as Outnumbered has in mast furling which is eligible for a credit of 6 sec to the base rating. The members in attendance agreed on a provisional rating of 72 and appropriate adjustments be made to reflect on the sailing ratings.

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2. a)       ORA: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings
3. b)       PHRF-NB Rules and Table adjustments to consider this Fall.
4. i)      Request input from members: broad announcement and reply deadline\
5. New Business:
6. a)       Editorial changes to Rules, Principles and Application Instructions, such as:
7. b)               Boats rated in a One Design configuration shall comply with all applicable Class measurements. Variations shall be reported to the Rating Committee.
8. c)                 Concinnity between Rules, Principles, and Application Instructions
9. d)                  Provisional Rating definition
10. e)                  Description of our area to conform to US Sailing
11. b)     Kathy- Ratings- Current, Queue, History

          Kathy explained how different information can be sorted from the current ratings list.

VII.    Next meeting

1. a)       Oct. 26th meeting – method will be zoom at 6:30pm

Fall 2020 PHRF items that may be consider:

1. Small Mainsail credit
2. Headsail not attached to forestay

To be defined in non-spinnaker. Currently covered in spinnaker.

1. Roller Furl headsail credit and Cruising headsail credit

Is the 2.5% valid based on new technology for roller furlers?

1.  Thru keel prop 2 & 3 blades

Chesapeake gives different credits for 2 or 3 blade props, we should review

1.  Motor-No Motor (J22 , Graves Constellation)

This requirement should be removed as many boats have outboards and remove them or the weight of them is minimal and placement doesn’t affect balance.

1. Windward leeward buoy racing ratings and description of what we rate

PHRF-NB current uses Random leg. Would race committees be interested in Windward leeward ratings or use them?  Boats can apply for and be issued multiple certificates which may satisfy this.

1. Editorial changes to Rules, Principles and Application Instructions, such as:
2. Boats rated in a One Design configuration shall comply with all applicable Class measurements. Variations shall be reported to the Rating Committee.
3. Concinnity between Rules, Principles, and Application Instructions

                iii.        Description of our area to conform to US Sailing. This open ocean of RI Sound

Oversized poles are creating a problem as adjustments are being done manually.

PY & EY fields – yawls and ketches and schooners are a currently a manual review and since we only have 1 or 2 a year no change to certificate application is necessary.

Paul Cronin brought up the possibility of owners removing weight from their boats but remaining within the manufactures specified weight. Should we penalize? Current rules address weight changes.

Bob Horton brought up new sail technology and should we credit non-string sails. Response from members present was that we should not credit older or non-string sails competitors should be willing to spend the money for new quality sails.

1. Website edits

VIII.    Adjournment

1. Meeting adjourned at 8:36pm

PHRF-NBMeeting August 31, 2020

Date:           Monday, August 31, 2020

Time:          1830

Location:    Zoom

Call to Order – 6:35pm

1. Roll Call: Don Kern, Will Museler, Roy Guay, Bob Horton, Paul Cronin, Paul Grimes, Todd Johnston, Ken Madeiro, Moose McClintock, Randy Shore, Kathy Rotsky
2. Approval Meeting Minutes: July 2020

III.    Appeals:

1. a)       none

1. Ratings:
2. a)       2020 Certificate 15247, Assai Warwick 82LK, owner Matt Hooper. The members found it difficult to find a comparable boat in our database and memory. This unique boat vacuum bagged E-glass and carbon composite hull, water tight bulkheads, teak decking, carbon rig and poles with Navtec standing rigging. It compared to a Swan 80 Selene which was rated at -75 a few years ago. It is obviously set up as a cruising boat displacing 114,860lbs with all of the amenities listed and even with a waterline of 70 feet and generous sail area it will need a good breeze to get it moving. After a lengthy discussion by the members present it was agreed that a provisional rating of -70 be assigned.
3. b)       2020 Certificates 14960 & 15125 Alchemist, owner Ken Read; 2020 Certificates15006 &15158 Byte, owner Robert Alexander; 2020 Certificate 15042 Low Profile, owner Chris Benzak, these 3 boats are Jeanneau Sunfast 3300s- It was agreed to re-evaluate the base rating when more race results are available
4. c)       2020 Certificate 15154 Celeritas, owner Sam Fitzgerald; 2020 Certificates 13596 & 14911 La Défonce, owner Laurent Givy, these 2 boats are Beneteau Figaro IIIs- It was agreed to re-evaluate the base rating when more race results are available.
5. d)       2020 Certificate 15268, Rigadoon, Dunning 44, owner James Grundy. This is a custom boat that replaces Mr Grundy’s Dunning 41. The members present reviewed a number of boats such as the Interlodge 44 rating -60 and Prevale rating -75. Rigadoon is a fractional rig carrying a lot of sail and it has a high righting moment. A boat that was brought into the mix subsequent to the meeting is the Cookson 50 Privateer rating -75. Rigadoon has not obtained any other rating certificates and has not recorded any race finished at this time. After a thorough discussion by the members present it was agreed that a provisional rating of -66 be assigned.

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2. a)       ORA: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings – no update on this as Sheila McCurdy has not been available
3. New Business:
4. a)       PHRF-NB Rules and Table adjustments to consider this Fall. – Board members were asked to submit rules and subjects by the September meeting that should be reviewed or considered for changing. This would enable the organization to put certificate holders on notice of possible changes
5. b)       Cruising headsail credit – this item was placed on the agenda by Bob Horton in response to a SIRA member wishing to drop his cruising headsail certificate and race the SIRA Fall series with newly purchased sails. After some discussion it was agreed that a certificate holder with a cruising headsail credit could drop that rating for a non-cruising headsail rating but COULD NOT use or apply for a cruising headsail credit for the remainder of the season.
6. c)       J/22- Motor-No Motor – this is a continuation of the One Design ratings and adherence to One Design rules that was brought up in regard to number or weight of crew on a One Design rating. This will be discussed further over the winter.

Fall 2020 PHRF items that may be consider:

1. Small Mainsail credit
2. Headsail not attached to forestay
3. Roller Furl headsail credits
4. Thru keel prop 2 & 3 blades
5. Windward leeward buoy racing ratings and description of what we rate
6. Editorial changes to Rules, Principles and Application Instructions, such as:
7. vi. Boats rated in a One Design configuration shall comply with all applicable Class measurements. Variations shall be reported to the Rating Committee.
8. Description of our area to conform to US Sailing
9. Website edits

1. d)       Sept. 28th meeting – method and/or place – it was agreed that the September meeting will take place via Zoom.

VII.    Adjournment 8:42pm

Minutes PHRF-NB Monday, July 27, 2020 Meeting

Meeting Location: Zoom Meeting:

1. Call to Order – 6:39pm

1. Roll Call: Don Kern, Will Museler, Roy Guay, Bob Horton, Paul Grimes, Todd Johnston, Ken Madeiro, Vin McAteer, Mark Nannini, Kathy Rotsky

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: June 20, 2020

1. Appeals:
2. a)          Vento Solare, J-109, Bill Kneller – there is no update on any action that has been taken by Bill Kneller. There is no record an appeal has been filed with U.S. sailing.

1. Ratings:
2. a)      Alchemist certificate 14960 & 15125 Byte certificate 15006 & 15158 Sunfast 3300 -Base rating discussion continued on the rating versus performance of the Sunfast 3300
3. b)      2020 Certificate 15135 Overproof Open 30, owner Tim Scanlon – base rating of 36 is all set
4. c)      2020 Certificate 14586 Oohla Sabre 42 cb, owner George Wilson Lovett. Agreed by the board members present to use the 2019 certificate base of 105
5. d)      2020 Certificate 14699 –“Z” Beneteau Oceanis 350 wk, owner Al Clayton. Agreed by the board members present to use the standard measurements for this boat and assign a base rating of 147
6. e)      2020 Certificate 15141 – Joie de Vie, Beneteau First 20, owner David Bergeron. Agreed by the board members present after comparing to similar designs that a base rating of 195 would be assigned.
7. f)       Boats with question on measurements:

2020 certificate 14992 – Njorth Star  Albin 85 sd Cumulus, owner Paul Raterron. SMG appears to be incorrect. Agreed by the board members present to use the standard measurements for this boat and assign a base rating of 195

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2. a)      Status of revised software for Certification reflecting new 2020 rules – still in process
3. b)      ORA: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings – Nothing to update Sheila McCurdy has not been available

VII.    New Business:

1. a)      Random Leg vs Windward Leeward Courses, PHRF-NB area and Bylaws.- Will & Randy working of this
2. b)      New bases and changes/ Rating adjustments during season/ Fees
3. c)   Graves Constellation- Sweeping roller furling credit for roller furling to be reviewed during the winter.
4. c)      Aug 31st meeting – method will again be Zoom

VIII.    Adjournment – 8:31pm

Minutes PHRF-NB Monday, June, 20, 2020 Meeting

Meeting Location: Zoom

1. Call to Order: 6:35pm

1. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Paul Cronin, committee member; Paul Grimes, committee member; Todd Johnston, committee member; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member; Moose McClintock, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: May 2020

1. Appeals:

Venda Solare, J109, 2020 Certificate14486 current rating 75/69 (145%)  Bill Kneller on behalf of J109 Association. NO UPDATE.

Ratings:

2020 Certificate 14960 Alchemist- 2019 Jeanneau Sunfast 3300 hull #4 prototype, Ken Read owner. There are a number of these boats that are applying for ratings and each seems to be a slightly different configuration. Base on ORC is 50 Byte another Sunfast 3300 has a LIS rating of 51 distance and 63 around the buoys. These boats are all equipped to utilize water ballast. IRC rating converts 31 in PHRF. This particular appears to have a smaller mainsail than others and it has a small spinnaker. As a comparison a Figaro 2 rates 57. The boats did well at Key West. A lengthy discussion by members present took into account detailed information that was provided by Ken Read. The boat is reported to be heavier than the manufacturer advertises, this fact was not applied to the rating as the policy and standard ratings for all production boats is to use the manufacturer’s numbers. The members present agreed on a provisional rating of 45 without water ballast. No adjustment given for the smaller mainsail. Base rating adjusted to 66 after further discovery and discussion during the month of July.

 2020 Certificate 14681 Eclipse – 2014 Mills 41 aka C&C Redline MK III, designed by Mark Mills manufactured by Waterline Systems, owner Mark Coleman. There are not modifications of note to the boat, IRC has it rated at 24 which compares to a J121. The members present agreed to a provisional rating of 18.

2020 Certificate 13622 Ochla – 1987 Sabre 42 centerboard, George Wilson Lovett, owner. This boat has a rating from New England of 108. There are some measurements that are needed to assign a rating as the boat only lists a Code 0 but has noted that it carries an asymmetrical spinnaker. It was agreed that the owner should be contacted for more information before assigning a provisional rating.

2020 Certificate 14782 Azura – 1964 Graves Constellation, Erik Ekwall owner. Waiting for spinnaker measurements. Owner does not have a spinnaker at this time. He is waiting for a hand me down from another Graves or delivery of a new spinnaker. Base rating of 192 remains unchanged provisional spinnaker rating of 196 will remain until measurements obtained.

2020 Certificate 14949 Glory – Freedom 45 Center cockpit TM WK, lance Ryley owner. YRALIS has issued a rating of 126 for shoal draft models of this model. The members present agreed to a provisional rating of 123

2020 Certificate 14986 – Warrior 21, 2006 Mini Transat 6.50 prototype, Griffin Spinney owner. ORC at 650 converts to 100 in PHRF this boat is at 787 in ORC. After discussion the members present agreed on a provisional rating of 108.

2020 Certificate 14981 Arethusa – 2019 Fiber Mechanics IC37 Mark Mills designer, Philip Lotz owner. Based on the design and previous models rated the provisional base of this boat was agreed on by the members present to be -9.

2020 Certificate 14941 Cepheus – 2002 Holby Marine Quest 33S designed by Roger Martin, owner Phil Hayden. This boat has been rated for a previous owner and the changes made do not affect the base. The members present agreed to assign the base of 96.

2020 Certificate 14911 La Defonce – 2018 Beneteau Figaro 3, hull #3, Laurent Givry owner. This boat is carrying an undersized spinnaker and a Code 0. The members present agreed to a credit of 2 sec for the spinnaker.

2020 Certificate 14992 Njorth Star – 1982 Albin 85 Cumulus shoal draft,owner Raterron   The spinnaker measurements suggest a credit of 6 seconds. Based on detail, provided it was recommended that Kathy Rotsky contact the owner for verification of measurements.

2020 Certificate 15040 Sachem – 1978 J24, owner Douglas Stone. Certificate indicates a headsail LP of 170% the standard adjustment to the base One Design headsail was applied. Base remains at 174. All members present agreed on this adjustment.

2020 Certificate 14962 First Light – 2007  Class 40 designed by Owen Clarke Design and manufactured by Jaz Marine, owner Sam Fitzgerald. Base is currently -9 but there are questions regarding the spinnaker measurements. Kathy Rotsky to contact to verify for any adjustments.

***It was agreed by the members present that any credit for undersized spinnakers greater than 2 seconds will cause the owner to have a measurement certificate from a sailmaker.

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2. a)      2020 Racing Season – starting up in all areas of the bay.
3. b)      Status of revised software for Certification reflecting new 2020 rules – this is being worked on
4. c)      Boats with multiple certifications – it was agreed that certificate holds can apply for additional certificates at the normal cost. The system does not allow anything other than $50.00

1. New Business:
2. a)      Mark’s question: “What does PHRF(-NB) want to be? To be discussed at future meetings
3. a)      ORA: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings
4. b)      Sheila McCurdy, Ida Lewis Cruise Committee member and ORA has offered that ORR is available to be of assistance to PHRF-NB if we are interested.
5. c)      July 27th meeting – method and/or place TBD either Zoom, BYC or Doyle Sail Loft EG.

VII.    Adjournment: 8:45pm

ADDITIONAL Email discussions regarding Ratings subsequent to June meeting;

2020 Certificate Overproof – 2007 Open 30 Van Gorkom, designer, owner Tim Scanlon. These types of boats were familiar to some of the board members and after discussion via email and the water ballast of 2,259 lbs was added in the members participating agreed on a base rating of 36.

Additional information was provided by Ken Read on 2020 Certificate 14960 Alchemist- 2019 Jeanneau Sunfast 3300 hull #4 prototype, there was agreement by board members on various changes that were identified on this hull during the email exchange. The PROVISIONAL RATING was adjusted to 69 without water ballast and 66 with water ballast.

Minutes PHRF-NB Monday, May, 18, 2020 Meeting

Meeting Location: Zoom

1. Call to Order: 6:45pm

1. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Paul Cronin, committee member; Paul Grimes, committee member; Todd Johnston, committee member; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member; Moose McClintock, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: April 2020

1. Appeals:

Luna Sea, 1983 Lindenberg 28, current rating 117, Jill Westcott & John Bell owners – Jill Westcott indicted that this is an older boat with possible water in the cored deck the hull is noted as solid glass. When questioned on the age of the sails they indicated that the boat had been stored in a barn for years. The sails are 8 to 9 years old but because the boat wasn’t used they probably have 4 or 5 years of racing on them. The bottom is done with coppercoat and cleaned professionally on a bi-weekly basis. Diver indicated little growth in the past. The boat has been raced for 3 seasons on Narragansett Bay. They have the original tuning guide. It was recommended that they contact the Lindenberg fleet in Maine for tuning and trim guidance. They stated that they are close to the J30’s in their fleet upwind but mostly behind. Downwind they tend to catch up. They have been 1st to finish but correct to the bottom of the fleet on handicap. They sail with 5 to 6 on the boat. The pole on the boats are longer than J but this is a class pole measurement. Jill and John were thanked for their presentation and the committee took their appeal under consideration.

Based on the information presented and observed performance by 2 committee members and a long and thorough discussion the Committee voted to leave the rating as is and to recommend that they maximize the boat for racing under PHRF, buying new sails and obtaining class information from Maine. Will Museler will notify the owners of the decision.

Venda Solare, J109, 2020 Certificate14486 current rating 75/69 (145%)  Bill Kneller on behalf of J109 Association. Bill presented his thoughts on the adjustments that are in affect for table B of the PHRF-NB rules. Bill has reviewed the boats impacted by these adjustments and feels that the only boats he identified are J109 and J105’s. As the representative of the J109 Class Bill has reviewed the adjustments from other PHRF sites across the country and states that PHRF-NB is the only one adjusting large headsails this severally. It was explained by mark Nannini that the tables A & B match adjusted sizes as headsails increase or decrease. After his presentation Bill excused himself from the Zoom meeting and the members present discussed his appeal.

The performance of Vento Solare was noted for results from 2015 through 2019. After a long and thorough discussion the members present agreed to leave the adjustment for increased sail size as is in table B as we have faith in the way that the adjustments are calculated and are applied evenly for all boats originally designed with a foresail less than 114% who decide to race PHRF-NB with a larger foresail. Will Museler will notify Bill Kneller of the committee’s decision.

Ratings:

2020 Certificate 14503 – Fortuna, designer/builder 1926 Crownshield, CTM-staysail schooner, John Taft owner. The rating on this boat was established prior to the meeting and no action was required of the members present.

2020 Certificate 14615 – Melantho, 2002 Beneteau First 36.7, Jack Clayton owner. The rudder has been replaced with a new design by the Farr Association. Comparison of the old and the new rudders based on pictures and measurements provided by Mr. Clayton indicated that in certain conditions the new rudder would be superior to the original stock rudder. The members present agreed that this potentially costly change was made to improve performance. After a long and thorough discussion with much input from the knowledge base on the committee it was agreed that a -3 second adjustment should be applied to the rating for this boat.

2020 Certificate 14640 – Free Radical, 1996 Freedom 35 WK, March Lynch owner. The question regarding issuing a rating for this boat is the amount of roach in the mainsail. Todd Johnston will obtain and provide the standard measurements for the mainsail. Members present agreed to this action.

2020 Certificate 14681 – Eclipse, 2014 Mills 41, Mark Colman owner. This boat is similar to a King 40 which rates 12 but should be slower. Certain members had sailed on this boat and were quite familiar with it. After a thorough discussion it was agreed by the members present to assign a provisional rating of 18.

Boats identified as needing a second look based on system calculation of 2020 rating:

2020 Certificate 14586 – Oohla 1987 Sabre 42 centerboard, George Wilson Lovett MD – question as to the size of the spinnaker which the system identified as questionable. Owner has been requested to have the spinnaker measured.

2020 Certificate 14690 – 1998 Sydney 36, Charles Stoddard owner. This boat previously named Shearwater received a rating adjustment in 2018 of +6 sec to the base. The system is showing and addition +6 sec for 2020. This will be investigated.

2020 Certificate 14587 – Dragon, 2003 Swan 48-2 Hugh Balloch owner. Incomplete spinnaker measurements. Owner contacted, waiting for response.

2020 Certificate 114512 – Leonessa, 1985 Baltic 42DP centerboard, Raymond DeLeo owner. Owner needs to provide where A-sail is tacked and verify the size of spinnaker #1. Waiting for response.

2020 Certificate 14716 – Meddler, 1986 J29MH OB, Bill Shaw owner. Mid girth measurement was needed and owner supplied. No adjustments to the based resulted.

2020 Certificate 14699 – ‘Z’, 1989 Beneteau Oceanis 350WK, Al Clayton owner. Needs to provide mid girth measurements. Owner contacted and will provide measurements.

Old Business:

2020 Racing season still in limbo as clubs and government hash out direction and rules

Status of revised software for Certification reflecting new 2020 rules. Per Roy Guay any issues are being worked on for an automated or manual solution.

Raven’s ECSA rating – information received indicates that ECSA has ignored our findings and granted a rating of 204 even though PHRF-NB provided the calculation of 138/142 for their review.

New Business:

June 29th meeting – method or place. Maybe Bristol or Barrington but Zoom will be available for members who cannot get to a location.

Cruising certificate discount question was submitted by a current certificate holder who feels that during this time when different racing configurations may be used in conjunction with cruising could a lower priced certificate be made available. Members present tabled this request/question.

Adjourned 9:20pm

Minutes PHRF-NB Monday, April, 27, 2020 Meeting

Meeting Location: Zoom

1. Call to Order: 6:30pm

1. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Paul Cronin, committee member; Paul Grimes, committee member; Todd Johnston, committee member; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member; Moose McClintock, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: March 2020

1. Ratings:
2. a)      2020 Certificate14486 – Vento Solare, J-109, Bill Kneller: status as to US Sailing appeal – Bill has filed a rating appeal with PHRF-NB. The fee for the appeal has been received.  A date and time to hear the appeal will be set in conjunction with Bill Kneller.
3. b)      2019 Certificate 14338 – Raven Lunatic, Raven, Henry DuPont owner (PHRF-NB), (ECSA-PHRF) – a great deal of research has been put into this certificate as Henry DuPont who runs Block Island Race Week has shifted Brock Island to ECSA-PHRF due to his unhappiness with his 2019 base rating of 129. ECSA has granted him a provisional rating of 204 vs 138/142 for PHRF-NB. Research has shown that the Portsmouth ratings for this model is BN4 (11-16kt wind) base would equate to 159 base a BN5 (17-21kt wind) would equate to 156 base. Moose is familiar with these boats and stated that they are probable not as fast as an Etchells but faster than a J24 or Sonar. Review of race results and Facebook home page identified distinct performance greater than 204. These boats apparently carry oversized spinnakers and poles but these may be within One Design measures. Contact has been made with ECSA-PHRF to let them know that the rating they assigned based on Chesapeake Bay is being reviewed by PHRF-NB as that was how the original NB rating prior to 2019 was reached. Our recent review will be provided to ECSA-PHRF. Will Museler will provide the information that we used to provide an adjusted rating to Mr. DuPont.  This action was voted and approved by the members present.
4. c)      2019 Certificate 14338 – Cetacean, Sabre 36, Peter Maloney owner –after a quick discussion it was agreed that no action on a 2020 certificate was necessary. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
5. d)      2020 Certificate 14512 – Leonessa, Baltic 42DP (Centerboard) Ray DeLeo owner. The information provided for the 2020 certificate is in need of clarification regarding where the tack for the A-sail is and if the spin 1 listed is actually 91% of max. Kathy Rotsky to contact Ray DeLeo for clarification.
6. e)      2020 Certificate 14617 – Choucas 3, RM 1370, Fred Cosandey owner.  This is a new boat to PHRF-NB that measures closely to a Baltic 50, Class 40’s or Pogo’s. This similarity to a Pogo which rates +6 was considered when reviewing this French boat which has a full interior and hard chines and we think will perform well off shore. A base provisional rating of 12 was suggested. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
7. f)       2020 Certificate 14516 – Interlodge IV, Botin 44, Austin Fragomen owner. An updated ORC rating of 464 was identified by a member but this was determined to be a rating that must be in error. The IRC rating converts to the 2019 rating assigned to this boat of -60. No action regarding any changes to the base rating of this boat was voted and approved by the members present.
8. g)      2020 Certificate 14632 – Satori, Graves Constellation, Bob Buffington owner. This certificate came before the committee because the spinnaker measurements resulted in a 5 sec credit. After reviewing the application it was agreed the Kathy Rotsky would contact Mr. Buffington to verify the spinnaker measurements. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
9. h)      2020 Certificate 14636 – Escapade, Jenneau Sun Odyssey 379, Edward Adelman owner.  New boat to PHRF-NB that needs a base rating. This is a standard boat with no modifications. It has in mast mainsail furling and list a 120% headsail. YRLIS rates these boats at 90 and regression calculations come up to 108. A provisional base rating of 105 with all allowable adjustment applied was suggested. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
10. i)       2020 Certificate 14655 – Pudding, Center Harbor 31, George Denny owner. This is an updated certificated with changes for the Asail. After review the members present agreed that no adjustment to the 2019 base rating of 135 was required. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
11. j)       2020 Certificate 14554 – Evangeline, Morris M36 SD, Howard Balloch owner. This certificate was identified by the system for review. Review by members showed not change to base or adjustments were necessary. This action was voted and approved by the members present.

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2. a)      2020 Racing Season – still up in the air waiting for governmental direction regarding gatherings and social distancing.
3. b)      Status of revised software for Certification reflecting new 2020 rules. There are some bugs that need to be worked out. The developer is working on these. The pay 1st has created extra work for Kathy as applicants don’t complete the process (like Mark Rotsky and me). It would be a major change and cost development funds to move to pay at the end of filling out the form. Due to uncertainty of the number of certificates that we will receive for 2020 major changes that result in additional cost will be placed on hold.
4. New Business:
5. a)      Release of e-mail list to NBYA – after a lengthy discussion it was agreed to offer NBYA the option of us sending their announcements to our certificate holders. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
6. b)      Block Island Community Sailing withdrawal from PHRF-NB – as noted above this was a case of the commodore of Block Island Sailing looking to shop for a better rating for his own personal boat.
7. c)      New system of processing certificates – see comments above.
8. d)      PayPal account? This was discussed and members present agreed not to utilize PayPal due to various reasons and the additional cost.
9. e)      YRALIS: Large Roach Headsails – interesting approach by YRALIS that we will keep abreast of.
10. f)       May 18th meeting – method and place – agreed to continue using Zoom for this next meeting.

VII.    Adjournment: 9:00pm