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Minutes PHRF-NB Monday, April, 27, 2020 Meeting

Meeting Location: Zoom

1. Call to Order: 6:30pm

1. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating Chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Paul Cronin, committee member; Paul Grimes, committee member; Todd Johnston, committee member; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member; Moose McClintock, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: March 2020

1. Ratings:
2. a)      2020 Certificate14486 – Vento Solare, J-109, Bill Kneller: status as to US Sailing appeal – Bill has filed a rating appeal with PHRF-NB. The fee for the appeal has been received.  A date and time to hear the appeal will be set in conjunction with Bill Kneller.
3. b)      2019 Certificate 14338 – Raven Lunatic, Raven, Henry DuPont owner (PHRF-NB), (ECSA-PHRF) – a great deal of research has been put into this certificate as Henry DuPont who runs Block Island Race Week has shifted Brock Island to ECSA-PHRF due to his unhappiness with his 2019 base rating of 129. ECSA has granted him a provisional rating of 204 vs 138/142 for PHRF-NB. Research has shown that the Portsmouth ratings for this model is BN4 (11-16kt wind) base would equate to 159 base a BN5 (17-21kt wind) would equate to 156 base. Moose is familiar with these boats and stated that they are probable not as fast as an Etchells but faster than a J24 or Sonar. Review of race results and Facebook home page identified distinct performance greater than 204. These boats apparently carry oversized spinnakers and poles but these may be within One Design measures. Contact has been made with ECSA-PHRF to let them know that the rating they assigned based on Chesapeake Bay is being reviewed by PHRF-NB as that was how the original NB rating prior to 2019 was reached. Our recent review will be provided to ECSA-PHRF. Will Museler will provide the information that we used to provide an adjusted rating to Mr. DuPont.  This action was voted and approved by the members present.
4. c)      2019 Certificate 14338 – Cetacean, Sabre 36, Peter Maloney owner –after a quick discussion it was agreed that no action on a 2020 certificate was necessary. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
5. d)      2020 Certificate 14512 – Leonessa, Baltic 42DP (Centerboard) Ray DeLeo owner. The information provided for the 2020 certificate is in need of clarification regarding where the tack for the A-sail is and if the spin 1 listed is actually 91% of max. Kathy Rotsky to contact Ray DeLeo for clarification.
6. e)      2020 Certificate 14617 – Choucas 3, RM 1370, Fred Cosandey owner.  This is a new boat to PHRF-NB that measures closely to a Baltic 50, Class 40’s or Pogo’s. This similarity to a Pogo which rates +6 was considered when reviewing this French boat which has a full interior and hard chines and we think will perform well off shore. A base provisional rating of 12 was suggested. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
7. f)       2020 Certificate 14516 – Interlodge IV, Botin 44, Austin Fragomen owner. An updated ORC rating of 464 was identified by a member but this was determined to be a rating that must be in error. The IRC rating converts to the 2019 rating assigned to this boat of -60. No action regarding any changes to the base rating of this boat was voted and approved by the members present.
8. g)      2020 Certificate 14632 – Satori, Graves Constellation, Bob Buffington owner. This certificate came before the committee because the spinnaker measurements resulted in a 5 sec credit. After reviewing the application it was agreed the Kathy Rotsky would contact Mr. Buffington to verify the spinnaker measurements. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
9. h)      2020 Certificate 14636 – Escapade, Jenneau Sun Odyssey 379, Edward Adelman owner.  New boat to PHRF-NB that needs a base rating. This is a standard boat with no modifications. It has in mast mainsail furling and list a 120% headsail. YRLIS rates these boats at 90 and regression calculations come up to 108. A provisional base rating of 105 with all allowable adjustment applied was suggested. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
10. i)       2020 Certificate 14655 – Pudding, Center Harbor 31, George Denny owner. This is an updated certificated with changes for the Asail. After review the members present agreed that no adjustment to the 2019 base rating of 135 was required. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
11. j)       2020 Certificate 14554 – Evangeline, Morris M36 SD, Howard Balloch owner. This certificate was identified by the system for review. Review by members showed not change to base or adjustments were necessary. This action was voted and approved by the members present.

1. Old
2. a)      2020 Racing Season – still up in the air waiting for governmental direction regarding gatherings and social distancing.
3. b)      Status of revised software for Certification reflecting new 2020 rules. There are some bugs that need to be worked out. The developer is working on these. The pay 1st has created extra work for Kathy as applicants don’t complete the process (like Mark Rotsky and me). It would be a major change and cost development funds to move to pay at the end of filling out the form. Due to uncertainty of the number of certificates that we will receive for 2020 major changes that result in additional cost will be placed on hold.
4. New Business:
5. a)      Release of e-mail list to NBYA – after a lengthy discussion it was agreed to offer NBYA the option of us sending their announcements to our certificate holders. This action was voted and approved by the members present.
6. b)      Block Island Community Sailing withdrawal from PHRF-NB – as noted above this was a case of the commodore of Block Island Sailing looking to shop for a better rating for his own personal boat.
7. c)      New system of processing certificates – see comments above.
8. d)      PayPal account? This was discussed and members present agreed not to utilize PayPal due to various reasons and the additional cost.
9. e)      YRALIS: Large Roach Headsails – interesting approach by YRALIS that we will keep abreast of.
10. f)       May 18th meeting – method and place – agreed to continue using Zoom for this next meeting.

VII.    Adjournment: 9:00pm

Minutes PHRF-NB Meeting

Location:         ZOOM
Date:             March 30, 2020
Time:            1830

1. Call to Order 6:45pm
2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore; Will Museler, rating chairman; Roy Guay, treasurer; Bob Horton, secretary; , Kathy Rotsky’ administrator; Ken Madeiro, committee member; Mark Nannini, committee member; Paul Cronin, committee member; Todd Johnston, committee member; Moose McClintock, committee member; Randy Shore, committee member; Paul Grimes, committee member; Vin McAteer, committee member

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: February 24, 2020 minutes voted to approve, seconded and voted to accept.

1. Ratings:

• High Energy – Diva 39:  It appears that Ed Adam’s boat is not in One Design configuration. Per discussion, a 2020 certificate application has not been received from Ed Adams for the Diva 39 and based on new information the 2020 PHRF-NB rating would be faster than 2019.
• Vento Solare – J-109 Bill Kneller: A 2020 PHRF-NB certificate application has been received and will be processed. The 2020 rating will be identical to the 2019 rating which Bill Kneller has issues with and indicated that he will appeal a 2020 rating if the same as 2019 to US Sailing. The members present agreed that the J-109 rating is accurate based on the formulas that are in place and that any appeal by Bill should follow the normal process to US Sailing and PHRF-NB will wait for a determination by US Sailing.
• Beneteau First 36.7 En Passant: Questions that were raised regarding extra ballast on/in the keel have been resolved. No further action is required.

1. Old Business:
2. a)      Status 2020 of revised software for Certification reflecting new 2020 rules – Roy Guay displayed new form with the guides that are designed to assist applicants in filling out the form correctly. Members present felt that it looked good and will be helpful. It remains at the discretion of the rating committee to review the impact of longer poles on a particular boat.
3. b)      Increase certification fee for those that requests that have less than 14 days to need date – there may be difficulty in having the certificate program to calculate the number of days. The problem is actually the 24/72 hour requests that take extra work. A check box for expedited process could be the answer. It was noted that normal consumer requests for expedited process through vendors results in higher/additional fees. R. Horton made a motion to assess a $100.00 fee for expedited processing less than 72 hours, motion seconded and approved by members present.
4. c)      Motion made to grant junior clubs free certifications. Members present were supported of waiving the fee. Further information is need to define junior clubs.
5. d)      Mark Nannini indicated that he heard Ida Lewis is looking at alternatives to PHRF ratings. This will be looking into for clarification.
6. e)      Kathy and Roy are looking into clearing up the way that boat models are reported, JBoats and Beneteaus are the boats with most variations of models.
7. New Business:
8. a)      2020 racing season is in flux with many early races and long distance races being cancelled.
9. b)      Any 2020 certificate received that does not have spinnaker measurements will be calculated at the max dimensions. Directions for how to measure are available on different sites. Measuring will benefit the rating of any boat with an undersized spinnaker. Roy Guay will look into permission to put links into the PHRF-NB site.
10. c)      Should the name of our white pages be changed was placed on the table. This will be looked at to see if a different name would define the purpose more clearly.
11. d)      Location of April 27th 2020 meeting – members present indicated that Zoom worked well and it was agreed to hold the April meeting via Zoom.

VII.    Adjournment –

VIII.    Submitted Bob Horton.

Minutes PHRF-NB Meeting

Location:      Barrington Yacht Club
Date:            February 24, 2020
Time:           1830

1. Call to Order 6:28pm
2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Will Museler, Roy Guay, Bob Horton, Paul Cronin, Paul Grimes, Todd Johnston, Ken Madeiro, Moose McClintock, Mark Nannini, Randy Shore, Kathy Rotsky

III.    Approval Meeting Minutes: November 2019 minutes voted to approve, seconded and voted to accept.

1. Review Meeting Minutes: Annual Meeting, January 2020 minutes had no corrections.
2. Appeal: And She Was (Lippincott 30) rating by members of PHRF-NB – Chair Will: Museler
3. a)      Appellants’ designated spokesperson present their position

Chip Hawkins addressed the fact that the rudder on And She Was is not a standard Lippincott 30 rudder along with the transom cut-out which is also non-standard.

Will Museler stated that he had reviewed the survey of And She Was and it showed a standard interior. Lippincott 30’s had a standard and a shoal draft keel option. And She Was has what appears to be the standard draft keel and no changes to the rig were noted.

1. b)      Jonathan Banks owner of And She Was present his position. He stated that he purchased the boat in 2006 and has made no structural modifications to the boat. Sails and deck hardware have been updated.

Jonathan introduced Matt Smith a naval architect and regular crew on And She Was who distributed documentation to the board regarding the difference between a standard Lippincott 30 rudder and the elliptical rudder on And She Was. The elliptical rudder is close in size to the standard but is deeper than the standard production rudder.

Jonathan stated that the certificate weight was provided by the surveyor that he had hired prior to purchasing the boat. Jonathan provided documentation of correspondence correcting a difference in the listed and actual waterline length. He also provided documentation listing base ratings of Lippincott 30’s from different PHRF areas and base ratings of boats similar to the Lippincott 30. This information was very similar to what Don Kern has distributed from his research. Jonathan stated that the average crew experience on the boat was 37 years and that the main crew had sailed together since 2013 and that they performed well as a crew and team. Jonathan provided race results from when he was not on the boat as skipper which showed a drop in performance.

Jonathan stated that in 2016 And She Was won the Barrington non-spinnaker class. In 2016  And She Wasswitched to spinnaker and came in 2nd overall, in 2018 And She Was came in 2nd overall and in 2019 the And She Was was 1st overall in a small fleet of 5 boats. Jonathan stated that in 2019 they sailed better than ever. Jonathan then went on to review each of the boats that they raced against and their performance out of the Barrington series drawing attention to their performance. Jonathan also noted that his performance outside of the Barrington YC Cox series was not 1st place finishes.

1. c)      Rebuttal by Appellants – Chip Hawkins refuted one of the claims by Jonathan regarding performance in a particular race #21 in the Cox series. He also brought to the attention of the committee that a C&C41 Artimus that races in Bristol had a 1 sec. adjustment for a replacement rudder that was also elliptical compared to the standard rudder.
2. d)      Rebuttal by And She Was Jonathan was prepared to recap his information but the Commodore did not feel that was necessary
3. e)      Questions of both parties by Rating Committee were limited.

What are the courses – dropped marks, windward leeward.

What particular changes to hardware were made – traveler and genoa cars, backstay is different

1. f)       Dismissal of the parties to the appeal
2. g)      Resolve appeal and Decision by Rating Committee. After discussion which noted the improvement in the program of And She Was and that the rudder and cut out transom was not a significant performance change based on measurements it was agreed by the members present to leave the base rating at 177 for And She Was.

Will Museler will notify the appellants and the owner of this decision.

1. Ratings: to be suspended until opening of 2020 certificate applications

VII.    Old Business:

1. a)      Review of the 2020 rules and acceptance vote.
2. i)       Grandfathering new purchased spinnakers prior to 2020 – the members present voted to NOTgrandfather any spinnakers that are oversized that were purchased prior to 2020.

It was agreed that the J99S spinnaker class size will be listed as the sail we currently have for EC Helm’s J99

2019. ii)      Sailmaker certificate for all new mains spinnakers. Jibs LP only. The members present agreed and voted to ask all certificate holders to provide a sailmaker letter/certificate on the size of ANY NEW sails added to a boat’s inventory after 2019.

iii)     Positive adjustment to Table B for J109. The members present agreed that no adjustment will be made in regard to Bill Kneller’s request and he will so be informed.

VIII.    NEW BUSINESS:

50. a)      2020 certificate fee reduction – the members present voted and agreed to leave the current fee of $50.00 in place for 2020 certificates. Reasoning being that unknown costs for system software support are always lurking and that our number of certificate applicants has trended down over the past few years.
51. b)      Multiple certificates for the same boat fee – the members present voted to leave the fee for multiple certificates at $50.00 per certificate.
52. c)      Increase certification fee for those that request that have less than 14 days to need date. No action was taken. This will be carried forward to March.
53. d)      Put multiple certs in shopping cart with payment at end of registration. This will be reviewed with our programmer.
54. e)      The certificate information for the Diva 39 has been questioned and Will Museler has sent 2 emails to Ed Adams requesting clarification of measurements. Based on the review of other certificates for the DIVA 39 and comparing to the standard Diva 39 a new base rating of 96 would be applied. It appears that Ed Adam’s boat is not in One Design configuration.
55. f)       Location of March 30th will be Bristol YC at 6:30pm.

1. Adjournment – 8:55pm

Submitted Bob Horton.

January 29, 2020 PHRF-NB Annual Meeting Minutes

Meeting at Newport Yacht Club, Newport, RI

Called to order at 6:30pm

Attendees: Will Museler, Rating chairman; Roy Guay, treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Don Kern, Board member; Paul Grimes, board member; Todd Johnson, board member; 6 audience members

• Motion to approve the minutes from the previous annual meeting of January 2019 which had been distributed via email were seconded and approved.

• Treasurers Report PHRF-MB experience a small positive increase in the balance sheet. Significant was the number of certificates issued in 2019, 429 compared to 2018 458, a decrease of 29 certificates, however both were higher than the 2017 low of 424 certificates. Treasures report was made available in printed form. The website expenses have been paid in full pending any database changes for 2020. Question from the floor regarding 2020 certificate fee and if there will be a decrease, increase, match to 2019 of changes for multiple certificates for the same boat. The board noted that a decision on certificate fees will be made at the February meeting.

2020 PHRF-NB slate of officers

Don Kern was presented as the incoming Commodore for 2020.

Rating Chairman, Will Museler; Treasurer, Bob Horton; board members remain the same with Mark Nannini serving as a board member in 2020.

No nominations submitted from the floor. A motion was made, seconded to approve the slate of officers as presented, passed.

• NEW BUSINESS

Rating Chairman Will Museler presented the changes for 2020. A significant change is to align the PHRF-NB sail area calculations to equal other rating systems. Part of this change was to make new and used sails that are smaller than max impact the ratings in a positive manner.

Measurements of/for sails will not change. Square footage is not a field that is required or needed on the certificates.

Sailmaker certificates are not required to be submitted as we are still using the honor system.

Bill Kneller had request a copy of the certificate base which was provided by Roy Guay. Bill indicated that full data was missing on certain boats. Asking for mid-girth measurement is new. Bill noted that not all boats provide the same or all measurements. It was suggested to ask for measurements on all new sails. The response was that the rig measurements on the certificate allow for needed calculations. It was noted that jibs are rated by overlap, spinnakers and mains by rig measurements.

Bill Kneller noted that most boats are using Headsails table A when they should have used table B. Only 31 boats used table B and these were mostly J109 & J105’s. He also noted that non-spinnaker ratings are consistently ok. He stated and will provide discrepancies for some spinnaker ratings. PHRF-NB noted there some discrepancies in the database that go back a number of years for various reasons and as they are found they are corrected.

Bill will submit his analysis electronically as well as the paper form presented at the meeting.

Calculations for a symmetrical spinnaker boat going to A-symmetrical or carrying both spinnakers have been updated. Paul Grimes noted large oversized spinnakers will take a bigger penalty going forward. If either of the spinnakers are oversized a penalty will be applied based on the oversized sail. Cruising spinnakers will benefit if they are smaller than max. There are some certificate holders who purchased new spinnakers that are calculated as oversized and will be assessed a penalty. Discussion as to grandfathering new purchases that were prior to changes can be made. This will be discussed at the February

meeting. Also discussed was if PHRF-NB could/should require a sailmaker certificate for all new mains / spinnakers and LP for headsaills.

Members present asked if the web site shopping cart could be set up so that payment is due at the end of registration rather than up front. Roy Guay will have the programmer look at this. Also asked if multiple certificate holders could get a discount. This will also be reviewed at the February meeting as previously stated. The target date for opening the registration window is March 2020.

It was noted for those present that the changes for 2020 had been sent to various sailmakers and J Boats for review as well as some noted highly qualified competitors.

Bill Kneller questioned the rating for the J109 again and stated that with the information that he has documented and presented that he would like to see a positive adjustment to the J109 rating. Bill stated that he was acting as a spokesperson for the Narragansett Bay J109 owners. This was followed by a discussion of the time period it would take for US Sailing – PHRF Hearing Committee to hear a rating appeal. This will be reviewed and discussed at the February meeting.

Meeting Adjourned 7:20 pm

Submitted by Bob Horton

November 18, 2019 PHRF-NB Minutes

Meeting at Newport Yacht Club, Newport, RI

Called to order at 6:45pm

Attendees: Will Museler, Rating chairman; Roy Guay, treasurer; Kathy Rotsky, administrator; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ken Madeiro, board member; Don Kern, Board member; Paul Grimes, board member

• Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting of October 28, 2019 which had been distributed via email were seconded and approved.

New Business

Discussion of A-symmetrical and symmetrical spinnaker sails

Discussion of large roach headsails and if the headsail table was realistic below 150%

A question surfaced on the length of a sprit changing the design/shape of a headsail while holding the total area the same. No consensus was reached on the effect on performance. A further review with sailmakers was suggested to get more input.

Ratings

Review of the 2019 Rating appeals and provisional ratings from the October meeting was continued.

• The Diva 39, High Energy owned by Ed Adams was noted to have 2 years of J dimensions which varied. The rating in Bermuda was 87 and research found that Bermuda used New England ratings. Race results indicate that Ed Adams statements of performance in other than certain conditions was not as accurate as presented. ORC ratings for boats with measurements close to a DIVA 39 convert to .87 in OCR. A letter will be prepared to be sent to Ed Adams requesting clarification on the J dimension and asking for 3 years of race results.
• The Beneteau Sense 50 SD, owned by Carl Metz had additional information obtained. This boat has an undersized spinnaker. The deep keel version of this boat is base rated 81 by SOCAL. Current PHRF-NB base is 60 the members present agreed to a new base of 68 and with adjustments the sailing rating will be 74.
• The Quest 33S, Cepheus, owned by Philip Haydon has an ORR certificate and is sailing at 87. New adjustments will bring the adjusted to 95.
• Other boats identified for further review were

o   Beneteau Figaro 3 which we don’t have enough data or race results to form an accurate position on.

o   Hinckley Bermuda 40-3 which we have requested a response from the owner regarding the draft of the boat.

• OLD BUSINESS

Draft 10 of the PHRF-NB Regulation document for the year 2020 which had been sent out via email was reviewed in detail and no further changes were identified. These changes will be updated in the document and sent out via email for final approval by the board members.

NEW BUSINESS

Location for Annual Meeting will be at Newport Yacht Club. The date for the Annual Meeting is Wednesday, January 29, 2020 6:30pm.

A slate of officers for 2020 will be finalized for the meeting meeting.

Meeting Adjourned 9:25pm

Submitted by Bob Horton

October 23, 2019 PHRF-NB Minutes

Meeting at Quantum Sail Loft, East Greenwich, RI

Called to order at 6:40pm

Attendees: Mark Nannini Commodore; Will Museler, Rating chairman; Roy Guay, treasurer; Kathy Rotsky, administrator; Bob Horton, Secretary; Todd Johnston, board member;  Paul Cronin, board member; Don Kern, Board member; Paul Grimes, board member

• Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting of September 23, 2019 which had been distributed via email were seconded and approved.

Review of the 2019 Rating appeals and provisional ratings

The list of boats that were presented to the board via appeals or initial certificate request in 2019 was distributed via email prior to the meeting for review at this meeting. The committee discussed each of the boats on the list to determine if further review should be initiated. Three boats were identified as worthy of additional consideration;

• The Diva 39 High Energy owned by Ed Adams
• The Quest 33S, Cepheus owned by Philip Haydon
• The Beneteau Sense 50 SD owned by Carl Metz

OLD BUSINESS

The draft of the PHRF-NB Regulation document for the year 2020 which had been sent out via email was reviewed in detail and more changes were identified. These changes will be updated in the document and sent out via email for final approval by the board members.

NEW BUSINESS

Location for November meeting will be suggested to be at Newport Yacht Club. The date for the meeting is November 18, 2019 6:30pm.

The location for the 2020 annual meeting will be at the Newport Yacht Club on either January 28th or 29th

Commodore Mark Nannini indicated that due to work commitments that he will not be able to serve as Commodore in 2020.

A slate of officers for 2020 will be discussed at the November meeting.

Meeting Adjourned 9:22pm

Submitted by Bob Horton

September 23, 2019 PHRF-NB Minutes

Meeting at Quantum Sail Loft, Middletown, RI

Called to order at 6:365pm

Attendees: Will Museler, Rating chairman; Roy Guay, treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ken Madeiro, board member; Moose McClintock, board member; Paul Cronin, board member; Randy Shore, Board member; Paul Grimes, board member

• Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting of August 26, 2019 which had been distributed via email were seconded and approved.
• Correction to the July 22, 2019 minutes. Ken Madeiro’s name misspelled in the list of attendees.

Rating Appeal

Certificate 14404 – Cameron Lewis, Elliot 6.5, current base rating 132. Mr. Lewis stated that this rating has been assigned for the past few years and he feels that is not correct in that it is rating the boat faster than it can perform. He races with Wickford against aJ70, J80 and J100 and finds that he is not competitive with the current rating. The keel on the boat was damaged at one point and the boat was repaired by pulling the keel and replacing and fairing. Current sail inventory is old, main 9 years, spinnaker 3 tears, boat carries a large A sail, jib is ok. Boats races with a crew of 3 experienced sailors. Mr. Lewis stated that he normally wins the starts but is slightly slower upwind and can stay in touch with the fleet over the course of the races that run 4 or 5 miles. He stated that the boat compares to an Ultimate 20. It has no backstay. He stated that when he originally applied for a rating he spoke with Pat Beausoleil there was little information available on this particular model and that the original 132 rating was agreed on.

Mr. Lewis was thanked for his presentation and was informed that a decision should be rendered within a week.

Randy Shore will speak to competitors of Mr. Lewis to confirm performance.

OLD BUSINESS

Will Museler provided more detailed documentation on the possible adjustments for symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers for review and discussion.

It was noted that light displacement boats that reach well and use oversized chutes could get a possible bump up in their ratings.

Existing standard A-sails and Symmetrical spinnaker ratings would not be affected but outliers and custom boats could see a possible adjustment to their current ratings.

New boats applying for a PHRF-NB certificate that have an existing certificate from another area should/must provide the size of their spinnakers for calculations.

Question surfaced if this was pointing the committee to look at and review mainsail size.

NEW BUSINESS

Updates for review of changes for the 2020 PHRF-NB Regulations have been distributed for comment.

2019 Provisional ratings and appealed ratings should be reviewed at the November meeting. Kathy will be requested to compile this information.

Location for October meeting was suggested to be the Quantum sail Loft in East Greenwich or the East Greenwich Yacht Club. The date for the meeting is October 28, 2019 6:30pm

Meeting Adjourned  8:30pm

Submitted by Bob Horton

August 26, 2019 PHRF-NB Minutes

Meeting at Newport Yacht Club, Newport, RI

Called to order at 6:50pm

Attendees: Will Museler, Rating chairman; Roy Guay, treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB administrator;  Moose McClintock, board member; Paul Grimes, board member; Paul Cronin, board member; Don Kern, board member; Randy Shore, Board member

• Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting of July 22, 2019 which had been distributed via email were seconded and approved.

RATINGS

Certificate 14356 – Frolic, Alfrede Luders design, Luders Navy 44 model, manufactured in 1966 by Uniflite, Bill Doyle owner. The application indicates that no modifications have been made to the boat. Both Randy Shore and Will Museler have sailed on this boat. Applicant is submitting rating with 110% headsail even though this boat is designed to carry a large headsail. After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 141 with applicable adjustments to be applied.

Certificate 14359 – Araminta, design of L. Francis Herreshoff, manufactured in 1954, Thomas Farrell owner. The application indicates that no modifications have been made to the boat. Other ratings that were found were Eastern Li 177, NE 201, Northern Cal 186, Lake Erie 189. After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 189 with applicable adjustments to be applied.

Certificate 14315 – Echo, Jeppesen, traditional Maine sloop design, Frienship Sloop model, manufactured 1965 by Oisten Lee Nielsen, George Hagerty owner, this is a gaff cutter, 5200 lbs. displacement on a 19 foot waterline. After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 291 with applicable adjustments to be applied.

Certificate 13723 – C’est Bon, Berret Racoupeau design, Benateau Sense 50 SD model, manufactured 2011, by Beneteau, Carl Metz owner. This is a shoal draft boat drawing 6.92 with a displacement of 33,710 lbs. on a 46.08 waterline. Previously rated in 2018 with a base of 60 sailing 76 at spinnaker and 96 at non-spinnaker. There have been additional adjustments reported by the owner. The boat has an EZ rating under Orc at .900. After review and discussion the board members present agreed to leave the base at 60 and apply the applicable adjustments

OLD BUSINESS

Will has provided additional documentation on the possible adjustments for symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers for review and discussion

NEW BUSINESS

Updates for review of changes for the 2020 PHRF-NB Regulations have been distributed for comment.

Location for September meeting was agreed to be the Quantum loft in Newport. The date for the meeting is September 23, 2019 6:30pm

Meeting Adjourned

Submitted by Bob Horton

July 22, 2019 PHRF-NB Minutes

Meeting at Bristol Yacht Club, Bristol, RI

Called to order at 6:41pm

Attendees: Mark Nannini, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating chairman; Roy Guay, treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB administrator; Ken Madeiro, board member Moose McClintock, board member; Paul Grimes, board member; Todd Johnston, board member; Don Kern, board member

• Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting of June 17, 2019 which had been distributed via email were seconded and approved.

RATINGS

Certificate 14273 – Costal Cru, Finot-Cong design, Beneteau  Oceanis 38.1 model, manufactured in 2018, Brian Bredvik owner. The application indicates that no modifications have been made to the boat. In reviewing this model it was determined that this is in fact a different design from other Beneteaus that may have a 381 or similar designation.  After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 141 with applicable adjustments to be applied.

Certificate 14295 – Luna, Spirit 47Cr, manufactured in 2016, Alessandro Pagani owner. The application indicates that no modifications have been made to the boat. Other ratings that were provided were ORR. After review of the ORR for this model and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 99 with applicable adjustments to be applied.

Certificate 14315 – Querencia, Jeppesen design, X yachts X4.3 model, manufactured 2018,  Francis X. McGowan owner, pictures of the boat and description indicate outboard shrouds. No addition rating certificates were indicated. The draft on this boat is 8.17 which will be considered the standard draft in PHRF-NB, 2 other drafts are also indicated by the manufacturer. After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 30 with applicable adjustments to be applied.

Certificate 14317 – PREVAIL – Tripp design, Hodgdon builder, Tripp custom 65 model, manufactured 2009, Dudley Johnson owner, the boat has carbon fiber spar, boom, spreaders, pole and rod rigging, PHRF-NE has the boat rated at -72. The boat had been for sale through MMA. After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of -75 with applicable adjustments to be applied.

Certificate 14338 – Raven Lunatic, Cape Cod Shipbuilding manufacturer, Raven 24ODR model, manufactured 1957, Block Island Community Sailing owner, other PHRF certificates are Chesapeake Bay 2009 rating 204, After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 129 with applicable adjustments to be applied.

Certificate 14331 – The Hawk, Tripp design One Ton model, built in 1969, rebuilt in 2019 by Brooklin Boatyard, Oivind Lorentzen owner. Other rating CRF 26.91. This boat was issued a provisional certificate by Mark and Will ahead of this meeting so they could race in NYYC 175th Regatta. The boat is wood and was fully restored at Brooklin Boatyard. After review and discussion the board members present agreed that the provisional base rating of 114 with applicable adjustments applied be allowed to stand for 2019.

Certificate 14333 – Karinosa, J30 manufactured 1982, requested that the adjustment for the ODR pole which is oversized be eliminated in the non-spinnaker rating as his headsail is a 118%. He uses a whisker pole of 10 feet when sailing non-spinnaker. After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 179 for non-spinnaker allowing the spinnaker pole/whisker pole change to be accounted for.

OLD BUSINESS

This discussion was continued as mark had received an inquiry regarding using small/undersized spinnakers and if they should have a rating adjustment similar to genoa/jibs that are less than the maximum allowed. Some new racers start out with smaller spinnakers as a way to learn handling and crew training. Currently we do not provide an adjustment for smaller spinnakers but do penalize oversized. There will be more discussion and documentation prior to any action on this possible change

NEW BUSINESS

Should PHRF-NB require/request ORC club certificates on boats that are classified as race designs? Discussion to be continued.

Should PHRF-NB have individual tables for oversized A-sym spinnakers and symmetrical spinnakers that would be provided to applicants to assist in their spinnaker design and purchase.

Location for August meeting was agreed to be the Newport Yacht Club. The date for the meeting is August 26, 2019 6:30pm

Meeting Adjourned just as a monsoon hit.

Submitted by Bob Horton

June 17, 2019 PHRF-NB Minutes

Meeting at Quantum Sail Loft, East Greenwich, RI

Called to order at 6:30pm

Attendees: Mark Nannini, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating chairman; Bob Horton, Secretary; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB administrator; Paul Cronin, board member; Moose McClintock, board member; Paul Grimes, board member; Todd Johnston, board member; Don Kern, board member

Prior to the start of the meeting Mark Nannini reported that he had sort and obtained legal opinion regarding board members participating in appeal discussions and voting on the disposition of appeals. The opinion obtained is that a board member can participate in normal rating assignments even if a board member races again a boat looking to obtain a rating in the normal course of filing.

In an appeal of a rating if a board member is the owner of a boat being appealed, crews on said boat, or sails on it they cannot be present in the room when the vote on the appeal is taken.

An additional point regarding a rating appeal by an owner or interested party is that PHRF-NE requires a certain number of windward leeward races to have been score for the boat in question before an appeal can be reviewed by the board. PHRF-NB does not have a specific number of races or type of race as a criteria for a rating appeal. This will be reviewed and presented to the committee.

• Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting of May 20, 2019 which had been distributed via email were seconded and approved.

APPEALS

Diva 39 High Energy  rating appeal by Peter Johnstone

Certificate 13786 – High Energy, Diva 39, Ed Adams, owner.

Peter Johnstone owner of Honey, Alerion 33, certificate #13838 submitted a written appeal of the rating for the boat High Energy with documentation to support his appeal of the base rating of 102 for High Energy which sails at 114 Spinnaker and 131non-spinnaker. Peter Johnstone was not able to attend the appeal hearing as he was out of town on business.

Ed Adams owner of High Energy appeared before the board and provided extensive documentation regarding High Energy and the preparation of the boat, the level of skill sets and background of crew. His main points were that High Energy has been maximized for the normal conditions the boat races in and that any PHRF-NB adjustments that benefit the rating have been applied. He also question the information that Peter Johnstone had provided citing cherry picking of results to prove his assertion that High Energy should be rated faster. Ed Adams was accompanied by Mark Hassell who also owns a Diva 39 and testified regarding his boat’s performance in comparison to High Energy.

Ed and Mark were thanked for their testimony and documentation and left the meeting. The board discussed the performance of the boat High Energy as many board members were quite familiar with it having sailed on it or competed against the boat and also against Ed Adams when he owned a Laser 28. The board agreed that the boat was prepared at the highest level, sailed with great skill and intensity and the rating was maximized for the conditions it normally raced in.

Prior to the vote of the board Moose McClintock recused himself from the vote and left the room while the vote took place. The board voted to leave the current base rating of 102 in place based on the information provided and the knowledge of the board members. Peter Johnstone and Ed Adams will be notified of the board’s decision.

RATINGS

Additional information was received from Jeff Johnstone via email in relation to the J99. Moose McClintock provided some insight on the boats general performance. Continue review of the boat at various venues will help verify the provisional rating.

Certificate 14144 – ACADIA, Frers design, Lyman Morse manufacturer, manufactured in 1984, cruising racing cat ketch, Burt Henry Keenan owner. The owner has provided previous year ratings from PHRF-NE when the boat was racing in Maine. The application indicates that no modifications have been made to the boat. After review and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 120 with applicable adjustments to be applied

Certificate – 14245 – Kyrenia (name change to Ardent pending), Beneteau Oceanis 41, manufactured in 2013, Curt Miller owner. The application indicates that no modifications have been made to the boat. After review of photos of this model and discussion the board members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 120 with applicable adjustments to be applied

OLD BUSINESS

Discussion of small/undersized spinnakers and if they should have a rating adjustment similar to genoa/jibs that are less than the maximum allowed. Some new racers start out with smaller spinnakers as a way to learn handling and crew training. There will be more discussion and documentation prior to any action on this possible change

NEW BUSINESS

Current certificate count is approximately 100 less than the end of 2018. We should make up that number by the end of the season as many one off or special races bring in certificate requests.

Location for July meeting was agreed to be the Bristol Yacht Club. The date for the meeting is July 22, 2019 6:30pm

Meeting Adjourned 8:50pm

Submitted by Bob Horton