June 4, 2018,
PHRF-NB Minutes
Meeting at Bristol Yacht Club. Bristol, RI
Called to order at 6:30pm
Attendees: Mark Nannini, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB administrator; Ken Madeiro, board member; Paul Grimes, board member; Paul Cronin, board member; Craig Nann, board member
- Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting of 26, 2018 will wait until all updates completed.
Rating Appeals: None
Old Business:
Email received from Jeff Johnstone regarding the J121 sailing in the water ballast crew configuration vs the non-water ballast crew configuration asking for the board’s opinion on any rating difference. Members present discussed the fact that no One Design specifications have been provided by JBoats at this time. The IRC rating with water ballast is 18. PHRF-NB calculation if using water ballast would be a -6 sec adjustment to a new rating of 24 for the J121 in that configuration. Noted that this was not a rating request but only a question as 2 J121 will race each in a different configuration this coming week.
New Certificate Requests:
Certificate 13249 – Alana, Fife of Fairlie, 6mR model, built 1929, Thomas Rodes owner, rated as pre-world war II 6meter with no standard adjustments. Existing PHRF NB rating of 150 base for a similar boat named Flapper. Committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 150.
Certificate 13311 – Scoundrel, custom 6 meter model, built 1989, Jamie Hilton owner, rated as modern 6 meter with no standard adjustments. Committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 126 base
Certificate 13285 – Aurora, RP 66 model, built 2006, Hunnington Sheldon owner, this is a known design with existing IRC and PHRF SEFL ratings. After review of the information presented the members present agreed on a provisional base rating of -118.
Certificate 13252 – Mischief, Sun Odyssey 349 model, built 2015, Bill Dussinger owner, after review of the information available and presented by the owner it was decided that additional information is required to determine a base rating, such as if the boat has a sprit/anchor bow roller and the length and if the boat is equipped with a fathead mainsail. When this information is received the members will vote on a rating via email.
The following information was obtained by Will Museler subsequent to the meeting resulting in a vote of 140 for the base rating This boat is more on the cruiser side so I (Will) would lean more towards 140 for the base rating.
Base Rating to include:
- non-overlapping headsail
- Roller Furling
- Asym tacked on centerline at the forestay
- standard draft
Adjustments for factory options:
- Bow Sprit: -6
- Shoal Draft: +6
- Square Top Main: -3
Mischief’s rating would be a Base of 140:
- Spinnaker Rating = 140 – 6 +6 -3 = 137
- Non-Spinnaker Rating = 159 + 6 – 3 = 162
Certificate 13259 – Weatherly, 12 metre CTM Rhodes sloop, built 1958, owner George Hill, this boat falls into the classic 12 meter configuration/age category. After review of the information presented the members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 30.
Certificate 13225 – Leonessa, Baltic 42DP centerboard model, built 1985, owner Raymond DeLeo, there are existing rating for this model and the standard or deep keel model. Pictures of the keel configuration were provided. PHRF-NE has a similar model with a base of 66, Eastern Ct has a base of 81, and Chesapeake has a base of 75-90. A comparable design would be the C&C 41 centerboard with a base of 81 and 72 with the standard keel. After review of the information presented the members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 87.
A request received on the meeting date was reviewed.
Certificate 13329 – Red Herring, Goetz CTM Dave Hubbard design, built 1980, Stephen Clark owner, new information provided regarding the accuracy of original information and updates/modifications to the boat along with measurement information on the sails. Additional information regarding the keel configuration will be requested before a base rating will be issued.
Inquiry received prior to the meeting.
Certificate 13286 – Serenity, Dufour 36P model built 2012, owner Curt Spalding was placed on the floor for a review by members. The base rating of 72 was confirmed and the owner will be notified.
Next meeting June 26, 2018 at a location to be determined.
Adjourned 8:22PM
Submitted Bob Horton
Certificate 13075 – NYYC001, Melges IC37, 2018 model, Paul Zabetakis owner – this boat is new and 20 will be owned by the NYYC. No sail plan was provided and may not have been finalized at this point making a final base rating difficult. It appears that Paul Zabetakisis the class president. After reviewing the design and comparing the critical measurements to like boats the committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of -9. Will Museler to send a letter requesting the sail plan.
Certificate 13076 – Bella Vela, Beneatuea Oceanis 45, 2018 model, Anthony Costanzal owner, this is a new but standard design carrying an ASail attached to the bow. After review and discussion committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 99.
Certificate 13133 – SAFIR, Arcona Yachts model 460, 2008 model, Andrew Laifelz, owner – This is a standard Arcona 46 with no modifications, the boat is sailing with a 142% headsail. A previous 2014 PHRF rating from Chicago rated the boat at 15 and ORR rated it as 1.015. After reviewing the design and comparing the critical measurements to like boats the committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 9 with the appropriate credits.
Certificate 13155 – Lorelei, Hanse model 348, 2018 model, David Johnson, owner – This is a new Hanse model with no modifications, the boat is sailing with a 85% headsail. After reviewing the design and comparing the critical measurements to like boats the committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 138 with the appropriate credits.
Request from Carl Supansic to review the appeal of his rating by Peter Maloney from June 26 2017. At that time the following decision was rendered.
Upon hearing the testimony from both parties they were excused for the board members to discuss the appeal. Additional documentation was obtained from the 2002 archives of PHRF-NB that the base rating of Phase III had been adjusted in the past based on an appeal from Carl Supancic and that the correct keel configuration was being considered in the original rating calculation. After a lengthy discussion by the members present it was agreed that the correct base rating for 2017 would be 171 and that the parties involved would be notified.
Mr Supansic has been unhappy with this decision and has approached various board members for consideration of the national standard for his boat which is 174. In the 2017 BYC Millard series Phase III was awarded 1st place once again even using the new rating of 171. In the Mohosa Wednesday Night World’s Pase III finished 3rd in Class 3 Large Non-spinnaker behind a J30 and a C&C34 but ahead of 6 other boats rated faster. After a discussion the members present voted to leave the 2018 rating for Phase III at 171.
Next meeting TBD.
Adjourned 10:15pm
Submitted by Bob Horton