September 28, 2020 PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

Posted on December 12, 2022 - Meeting Minutes

 PHRF-NBMeeting September 28, 2020

Date:           Monday, September28, 2020


Time:          1830

Location:    Zoom

Call to Order – 6:39pm

  1. Roll Call: Don Kern, Will Museler, Roy Guay, Bob Horton, Paul Cronin, Paul Grimes, Ken Madeiro, Vin McAteer, Moose McClintock, Mark Nannini, Kathy Rotsky
  2. Approval of Meeting Minutes: August 2020, motion made and seconded to

III.    Appeals:

  1. a)       none

  1. Ratings:
  2. a)       2020 Certificate 15268, Dunning 4, Rigadoon, James Grundy owner, Compliments to Moose McClintock for his thoughtful and complete response to the letter received from Mr. Grundy in regard to the provisional rating that was assigned to Rigadoon by the committee at the August meeting. Will Museler provided information from the race results of Rigadoon at NYYC Race Week and the conversion of their ORC rating. It appears we were accurate in our provisional rating.
  3. b)       El tata, Certificate 15298, Jeanneau, 410, James Pattison owner, there were questions regarding this certificate as a foot offset was reported in the detail for this boat. There is a base for a Jeanneau 410. It appears that the sail in question is free flying. Kathy to contact Steve Thurston for clarification on this sail to determine if it is a genoa or a spinnaker. It was determined after the meeting that the JC reported was incorrect and this sail has a 48%  smg/foot ratio. A base of 93 was assigned with appropriate adjustments for this sail.
  4. c)       Althea, Certificate 15300, Bruckmann, 46 Cutter, Bradford Read owner. The designer of this boat is Mark Ellis and the boat appears to be similar to his design of the Niagara 42. The keel weight on this particular boat appears to be light at 3,333 for a boat with a displacement of 26,000. The members present agreed on a provisional base rating of 96.
  5. d)       Chasseur, Certificate 15302, Little Harbor 54, Miles Cook owner. A base of 66 exists for this model. There is a question regarding the JC# and the attachment point for the asymmetrical spinnaker. The members present agreed to a provisional rating of 66 but require additional information for adjustments to the rating. (clarification was received subsequent to the meeting and the necessary adjustments were made and reflected in the sailing rating)
  6. e)       Mrs Gee, Certificate 15304, Rhodes 19, Christopher Lee owner no action necessary base of 267 assigned
  7. f)        Maura, Certificate 15306, Rhodes 19, Eric McNight owner no action necessary base of 267 assigned
  8. g)       Verus Amore, Certificate 15308, Moody 54DS, Berthon USA owner. This boat formerly known as Outnumbered has in mast furling which is eligible for a credit of 6 sec to the base rating. The members in attendance agreed on a provisional rating of 72 and appropriate adjustments be made to reflect on the sailing ratings.

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  2. a)       ORA: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings
  3. b)       PHRF-NB Rules and Table adjustments to consider this Fall.
  4. i)      Request input from members: broad announcement and reply deadline\
  5. New Business:
  6. a)       Editorial changes to Rules, Principles and Application Instructions, such as:
  7. b)               Boats rated in a One Design configuration shall comply with all applicable Class measurements. Variations shall be reported to the Rating Committee.
  8. c)                 Concinnity between Rules, Principles, and Application Instructions
  9. d)                  Provisional Rating definition
  10. e)                  Description of our area to conform to US Sailing
  11. b)     Kathy- Ratings- Current, Queue, History

          Kathy explained how different information can be sorted from the current ratings list.

VII.    Next meeting

  1. a)       Oct. 26th meeting – method will be zoom at 6:30pm

 

Fall 2020 PHRF items that may be consider:

  1. Small Mainsail credit
  2. Headsail not attached to forestay

To be defined in non-spinnaker. Currently covered in spinnaker.

  1. Roller Furl headsail credit and Cruising headsail credit

Is the 2.5% valid based on new technology for roller furlers?

  1.  Thru keel prop 2 & 3 blades

Chesapeake gives different credits for 2 or 3 blade props, we should review

  1.  Motor-No Motor (J22 , Graves Constellation)

This requirement should be removed as many boats have outboards and remove them or the weight of them is minimal and placement doesn’t affect balance.

  1. Windward leeward buoy racing ratings and description of what we rate

PHRF-NB current uses Random leg. Would race committees be interested in Windward leeward ratings or use them?  Boats can apply for and be issued multiple certificates which may satisfy this.

  1. Editorial changes to Rules, Principles and Application Instructions, such as:
  2. Boats rated in a One Design configuration shall comply with all applicable Class measurements. Variations shall be reported to the Rating Committee.
  3. Concinnity between Rules, Principles, and Application Instructions

                iii.        Description of our area to conform to US Sailing. This open ocean of RI Sound

Oversized poles are creating a problem as adjustments are being done manually.

PY & EY fields – yawls and ketches and schooners are a currently a manual review and since we only have 1 or 2 a year no change to certificate application is necessary.

Paul Cronin brought up the possibility of owners removing weight from their boats but remaining within the manufactures specified weight. Should we penalize? Current rules address weight changes.

Bob Horton brought up new sail technology and should we credit non-string sails. Response from members present was that we should not credit older or non-string sails competitors should be willing to spend the money for new quality sails.

  1. Website edits

VIII.    Adjournment

  1. Meeting adjourned at 8:36pm